Re: Visual Studio Professional update
- From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 08:21:11 -0500
Hi, Jim,
Came to that conclusion last night, as it happens. It's how I
discovered all the nice buttons and toolbars and the like the jaws
cursor must have been activating. Ther must be some feature I can
turn off that this is triggering like automatic code completion or
something which happens when the mouse is hovered over a bit of text.
There must be some way to fix it so that it only happens on demand
with a hotkey or something. I'm also going to try VS with the latest
snapshot of NVDA. I have it on a flash drive and forgot that the
machine at home still has the full latest releasewhich, incidentally
did pporly in the text editor. The arrows would not read previous
characters and the ten key keys only gave info on current line. I
seriouslyu need to sit down and really learn just how NVDA works on a
deeper level. I've just been sort of expecting it to work like Jaws
because it shares some of the same key bindings but, in fact, the way
in which it does its thing is fundamentally different. Maybe I'll
have better luck with the latest snapshot.
Alex M
On 10/12/10, Homme, James <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Alex,
> Just use the invisible cursor instead of the JAWS cursor.
>
> Jim
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:09 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Visual Studio Professional update
>
> latest update:
>
> Monkeyed with vs2010 some more today and discovered a few things.
> Disabling uia and not allowing the start page to be the first thing
> that pulled up was a bad idea. The app became pretty much
> inaccessible or something. Restoring defaults took care of that. I
> then turned loss of focus alert on and smart word reading off in jaws
> verbosity settings. Then, after a few more crashes, I figured out
> that what it didn't like, and I think this is Jaws, was that I'd use
> the jaws cursor to explore the screen triggering all sorts of things
> with mouse hovers. I've kept my hands off the jaws cursor and haven't
> had any more crashes. Weird. Wonder if I can turn off the feature
> that activates on mouseover and just have the onclick stuff on.
>
> Alex M
>
>
> On 10/11/10, Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Glad you're having a better time of it hthan me. Yes, your machine is
>> faster. I have windows xp on a 2 gb ram machine which is like 1.8
>> ghz. It's from 2006. If you're running a more recent operating
>> system, you could be having better results. Also, if you are using
>> NVDA with VS 2010 you may be having different results. Re you using
>> the c++ environment? If I'm doing something wrong, I want to figure
>> it out because I would like to be ale to use this IDE. It's a
>> mainstream IDE which I'm likely to encounter in clases and jobs in
>> future so it behooves me to get familiar with it if possible. NVDA
>> was what made the dreamspark site usable for me. I only switched back
>> to jaws after clicking the download link. Did NVDA label the link for
>> you? It just said clickable to me. I assumed it was the download
>> link and it's what it was. One day, I may make the change to NVDA
>> full time. Not ready yet though, too set in my ways, I suppose and
>> Jaws works good with the stuff I use it for at work. Office 2007 is a
>> big deal for me right now and nvda didn't work well with powerpoint
>> and some parts of word but this is getting off topic.
>>
>> Alex M
>>
>>
>> On 10/11/10, chris hallsworth <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Hi Alex.
>>> Come on, it's not that bad! I use NVDA all the time and Dreamspark works
>>> brilliantly with it! Also, when I installed 2010 it took a while but not
>>> "a long while" like you said. Maybe it's your machine though because I
>>> have a dual core processor and 4GB of RAM which probably helps. Hey,
>>> I've not had Visual Studio crash on me yet!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From Chris H in Derbyshire
>>> E-mail and Facebook: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Skype: chrishallsworth7266
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40
>>> Please visit my blog at http://chrishallsworth.klangoblog.net.
>>> If you need any computer help, please contact me. Thank you.
>>>
>>> On 11/10/2010 10:07, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>> Be advised, the Dreamspark site has a ton of javascript on it that
>>>> Jaws doesn't pick up well. I had to use NVDA and Jaws. I'd use Jaws
>>>> for one thing and then turn it off and pop NVDA on for another. After
>>>> you verify, to actually download, you will want to select either web
>>>> or download manager. If web, move down to the unlabeled clickable
>>>> object following disabled sign up and verify buttons. Get your mouse
>>>> to click on it with NVDA and you are in business. Oh, yeah, it must
>>>> be done in I.E not Firefox. Apparently, it doesn't like Firefox,
>>>> surprise surprise. Once you get it downloaded and installed, though
>>>> it's smooth sailing till vs2010 crashes on you. Then, it's
>>>> hairpulling, desk pounding and swearing and all that. Oh, and when
>>>> you run the installation, go out for a beer and come back. It takes a
>>>> while. Have fun.
>>>>
>>>> Alex M
>>>>
>>>> On 10/9/10, Jared Wright<wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.dreamspark.com/
>>>>> You will need to register with Microsoft and verify your status as a
>>>>> high school or college student at an eligible education institution.
>>>>> And, I don't know if this was just a typo on the OP's part, but they
>>>>> have far more than 2005 professional. IN fact, Visual Studio 2010
>>>>> professional is there for the taking, as well as a lot of other handy
>>>>> development tools if you are wanting to develop in the Microsoft eco
>>>>> system.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/09/2010 05:33 PM, Alex Stone wrote:
>>>>>> Chris, how do I get hold of this?
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of chris
>>>>>> hallsworth
>>>>>> Sent: 07 October 2010 21:10
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Visual Studio Professional update
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all.
>>>>>> As part of Microsoft's Dreamspark program, they are offering would you
>>>>>> believe Visual Studio 2005 Professional. When I was using the Express
>>>>>> editions, I felt it worked really well with screen readers. Since I
>>>>>> would prefer to program in a virtual environment I might as well go
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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