RE: Visual Studio 2003

  • From: dusty bray <dusty_bray@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:45:11 -0400

Sorry everybody-- after i sent my message, i realized i probably should have 
worded my question a little better.  i'm glad it didn't cause an all-out 
language war. smile.

What i really intended was to gather opinions on the best IDE for blind 
beginners.  The specific language isn't quite as important.  Since this will be 
an online course, i want to find something virtually fool-proof for novice 
programmers to install and access independently.

i'm leaning toward Visual Studio 2005 since many of you suggested it; however, 
you are all seasoned programmers and very competent at setting up software, 
installing scripts, and doing whatever it takes to make something work 
properly.  Even sighted users feel inundated by all the features when they 
first see Visual Studio.  i'm surprised no one suggested an IDE that is a 
little less intimidating.  i was expecting something more along the lines of a 
simple text-editor interface with a compile command. smile.  As a beginner, i 
remember that i started out in a very simple environment.  i just want to wet 
their pallets for programming and avoid setting them up for discouragement.  Am 
i underestimating the average blind computer user?

Thanks for all the suggestions,


From: will@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Visual Studio 2003
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:22:30 +0100

Visual Studio 2005 and the scripts are probably the more 
accessible solution.  Quite a lot of accessibility bugs that were present 
in Visual Studio 2003 were fixed in Visual Studio 2005, and whilst the add-in 
that Brett Lewis developed addresses some of these problems in Visual Studio 
2003 it doesn't address all the problems that were fixed in Visual Studio 2005, 
either by changes to Visual Studio or the scripts.
You can obtain a free starter version of Visual Studio 
2005 in the form of one of the Express editions.  These are versions of 
Visual Studio 2005 aimed at beginner programmers and each Express edition 
a particular language.  There are Express editions for VB, C#, C++, J#, ASP 
.Net, and SQL Server.  As they are aimed at the beginner they come with 
more material aimed at beginners, such as starter kits, than other editions of 
Visual Studio 2005 or Visual Studio 2003.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:06 
  Subject: Re: Visual Studio 2003

  there are sets of "add ins" for the VS 2003 version at 
  my grab bag sight, but there only for jaws 5 and 6 I do believe, using VS 
  with the scripts for it available on the grab bag would be better in some 
  • For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs, and 
  Links to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me 
  to be able to view a simple programming project in several programming 
  languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at:

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 2:09 
    Subject: Re: Visual Studio 2003

    not too certain about this, but I do know for a fact 
    there are Jaws scripts for Visual Studio 6 and Visual Studio 2005.  
    Whether or not either of those script sets will work for 2003 I am not 
    sure.  And at the risk of sounding like an advertisement, you may also 
    want to try my website Blind Crawler and see what the search engine comes 
    JohnPG search for all of your Jaws scripts at
    be sure to check out Blind Crawler's Legend of the Green Dragon server at
    will be more to come from Blind Crawler very soon.
Administrator: John 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      To: ProgrammingBlind@freelistsorg 
      Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 3:59 
      Subject: Visual Studio 2003
Hey everyone,

i know you guys will be able to give 
      me the best advice about this.  (i almost started on a wild goose 
      chase for JAWS scripts, but thought better of it.)

i just installed 
      Visual Studio 2003 on my brother's computer so that i can introduce him 
      VB.NET.  i'm really surprised that JAWS behaves very well for 
      selecting controls and adding them to the form, but performs very badly 
      everywhere else.  In the code window, it just keeps reading the path 
      of the file instead of the text at the cursor.  In the properties 
      window, it reads the value repeatedly (i guess because it's actually 
      refreshing, though i can't tell visually).

How do you guys get 
      around this problems?  Does anyone here use this version of Visual 
      Studio, or should we be using something more accessible?

Thanks so 
      much for the help,


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