Hi, Yeah there's a lot to the language isn't there. I mean C++ on its own is pretty complex (some would say too complex) but when you factor in the additions introduced with Visual C++ then the different ways of building UI's like the MFC and Windows Forms it is a heck of a lot of work! I learnt standard C++ a long time ago but am trying to get to grips with Visual C++ but am having trouble finding good documentation because as I said, most books out there assume you'll build the UI using Visual Studio so they don't describe the code for it. I prefer coding in a simple text editor and compiling on the command line - it is more straightforward for me that way but that's just personal preference. Obviously you can't build UI's by selecting widgets from a toolbar and you don't get code completion etc but that's not a problem if you know the language well enough. Having said that I do have VS 2005 standard edition installed (and the scripts for it). You can do MFC work with that version but not the express version of VC2005 as you say. I'm more interested in Windows Forms work though. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ricks Place To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Visual C++ Example Hi: I have been looking at VC++ lately. Man, it's quite complicated when you add in the COM and all that jazz! Allot of libraries, files and stuff. What are you running for the IDE? Are you running VS Standard or Pro or the Express module? I have been reading about the ATL and MFC libraries but think they are not available in the Express modules. You say you code in a text editor and then compile. Is that easier than just building the code in the IDE? Rick USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hunt To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Visual C++ Example Hi, Following on from the link to the VB fruit basket demo is there a similar example program written in Visual C++? Also any good links to VC++ guides that explain the code for creating UI's would be appreciated (most VC++ books I've seen don't go into much detail on the code that generates UI's because they assume you'll just use the VS IDE) but I like writing the code myself in my favorite text editor then compiling on the command line. Thanks. Paul