RE: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 09:23:08 -0400
Hi,
I use Outlook and don't want to fire up Outlook Express in case something
breaks. Sorry about that.
Jim
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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:22 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
I did that, in outlook express, but when I tried indenting the next line
then doing a say-line, it said nothing about the indentation.
Oh well.
--le
----- Original Message -----
From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:28 AM
Subject: RE: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
Hi Laura,
When you are in the application you're working with, use Insert + V and look
for Editing options. Look for something that says Indentation. Hit space on
that one. While you are in an application, JAWS will speak indentation. I
Configuration Manager. Go to Text Processing, then Alt+I to toggle speaking
indentation.
Jim
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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 4:03 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
This is interesting -- I just looked through the entire configuration
options and I could have sworn that there used to be an indication of
indentation in "format options" or whatever, but there is no such puppy in
the list.
I found something in text processing that said "speak indented character,
but I'm not sure what it does. I checked it and hear no change in the
speech.
Anyone else know how to do this?
--le
----- Original Message -----
From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: RE: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
One down, still one to go though! Smile!
The 4 blank cells prior to the line number are gone.
Adjusting the left margin in pixels option under Advanced options in the
JAWS Configuration did the trick.
So now I only need to get JAWS to speak the level of indentation.
This is not so important since I can read the indentation on the Braille
display, but it's nice to have both speech and Braille.
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
Sent: 22. mai 2010 19:11
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
Hi: The indentation after the line number sounds like the VS IDE is working
as you expect. So, I will have to leave it to you JAWS guys to see if there
is a way to find out what is causing the 4 blank cells prior to the line
number. It makes little sense to me unless they are some unrecognized
graphics that JAWS is just not handling as one might expect.
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 12:50 PM
Subject: RE: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
I probably explained poorly.
The 4 spaces of indentation works as expected.
I'll try to show it like this:
<4 blank cells><line number 1> Using System;
<4 blank cells><line number 2> class Program
<4 blank cells><line number 3> {
<4 blank cells>< line number 4><4 spaces of indentation>static void Main()
<4 blank cells><line number 5><4 spaces of indentation> {
<4 blank cells><line number 6><8 spaces of indentation>
Console.WriteLine("Hello!");
...
Problem 1: the 4 blank cells at the beginning which is displayed on my
Braille display.
Problem 2: JAWS don't speak the spaces of indentation but displayed
correctly in Braille.
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
Sent: 22. mai 2010 18:11
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
Hi: Well, good luck with that JAWS thingy. The spaces could be the indicator
margins. I would think it wierd that your 4 spaces of indent would be before
the line numbers since they are not a part of your code block. I do find it
wierd that there are not 4 spaces after the line number and before your code
block though. Tough to say with JAWS because so much is in the scripts.
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
Hi:
I use 4 spaces indentation.
I think that were the default.
The indentation is showing correctly on my Braille display but JAWS don't
speak 4 spaces.
The 4 spaces to the left of the line number is probably some graphics etc
(as you mention) which JAWS can't handle and therefore I just get 4 blank
cells on the left side.
According to a guy on the program-l list I also need to do some more setup
in the Speech and Sound manager to get JAWS to speak indentation in VS.
I tried that but it didn't work.
Regarding the 4 blank cells to the left he said that it were Indicator and
selection margins.
I unchecked both but it still don't work.
No big deal but I'll experiment some more.
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
Sent: 22. mai 2010 14:28
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
Hi: Do you have the IDE set up to use indenting and how many spaces did you
specify or did you leave it as tab characters or what? That determines the
indentation, along with a couple of other things, of how it is handled.
There are some graphics that are displayed before a line if not turned off
and I am not sure whether you are getting the default 4 spaces for the
indent, an expanded tab option or whether the spaces before the line number
are something else that is just not able to be read by a screen reader or
displayed on a Braille Monitor. The first thing to look at is your IDE
Settings. Have you set them up or are you just using the Defaults? If you
want I will show you how to check them out.
Rick USA
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:12 AM
Subject: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11
> Hi all!
>
> How to make JAWS speak indentation in Visual C# 2008?
> I also have a Braille question further down in this message.
>
> When I navigate the code editor JAWS don't speak indentation.
> I have installed the additional JAWS scripts for VS 2008.
> I have checked the speak indentation option and saved it to the msenv2005
> configuration file.
>
> I can see the indentation on my Braille display but I like both Braille
> and
> speech.
> I also see that there are 4 blank cells to the left of the line number
> when
> navigating the code editor using Braille.
> Except the first line where I can read "Program.CS 1 using System;".
> The first line is left justified so that the P in Program.cs appear on the
> first cell on my Braille display.
> But from line 2 there are 4 blank cells then the line number is shown
> before
> the actual code begins.
> I like that the line number is shown on my Braille display but I'm not
> sure
> why there are 4 blanks cells to the left of it.
>
> Like this:
> 2 using System.Collections.Generic;
>
> My second question:
> Does all Braille users have this "problem"?
> I guess it may be how the code editor is designed and how JAWS outputs it
> in
> Braille.
>
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