Speak indented characters found under Text processing works as expected in Notepad, EdSharp etc, but not in Visual Studio. I've been told that some extra tweaking in the Speech and Sounds Manager is required to get JAWS to speak indented characters in Visual Studio. But no luck so far. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit Sent: 22. mai 2010 22:03 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11 This is interesting -- I just looked through the entire configuration options and I could have sworn that there used to be an indication of indentation in "format options" or whatever, but there is no such puppy in the list. I found something in text processing that said "speak indented character, but I'm not sure what it does. I checked it and hear no change in the speech. Anyone else know how to do this? --le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: RE: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11 One down, still one to go though! Smile! The 4 blank cells prior to the line number are gone. Adjusting the left margin in pixels option under Advanced options in the JAWS Configuration did the trick. So now I only need to get JAWS to speak the level of indentation. This is not so important since I can read the indentation on the Braille display, but it's nice to have both speech and Braille. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace Sent: 22. mai 2010 19:11 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11 Hi: The indentation after the line number sounds like the VS IDE is working as you expect. So, I will have to leave it to you JAWS guys to see if there is a way to find out what is causing the 4 blank cells prior to the line number. It makes little sense to me unless they are some unrecognized graphics that JAWS is just not handling as one might expect. Rick USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 12:50 PM Subject: RE: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11 I probably explained poorly. The 4 spaces of indentation works as expected. I'll try to show it like this: <4 blank cells><line number 1> Using System; <4 blank cells><line number 2> class Program <4 blank cells><line number 3> { <4 blank cells>< line number 4><4 spaces of indentation>static void Main() <4 blank cells><line number 5><4 spaces of indentation> { <4 blank cells><line number 6><8 spaces of indentation> Console.WriteLine("Hello!"); ... Problem 1: the 4 blank cells at the beginning which is displayed on my Braille display. Problem 2: JAWS don't speak the spaces of indentation but displayed correctly in Braille. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace Sent: 22. mai 2010 18:11 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11 Hi: Well, good luck with that JAWS thingy. The spaces could be the indicator margins. I would think it wierd that your 4 spaces of indent would be before the line numbers since they are not a part of your code block. I do find it wierd that there are not 4 spaces after the line number and before your code block though. Tough to say with JAWS because so much is in the scripts. Rick USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: RE: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11 Hi: I use 4 spaces indentation. I think that were the default. The indentation is showing correctly on my Braille display but JAWS don't speak 4 spaces. The 4 spaces to the left of the line number is probably some graphics etc (as you mention) which JAWS can't handle and therefore I just get 4 blank cells on the left side. According to a guy on the program-l list I also need to do some more setup in the Speech and Sound manager to get JAWS to speak indentation in VS. I tried that but it didn't work. Regarding the 4 blank cells to the left he said that it were Indicator and selection margins. I unchecked both but it still don't work. No big deal but I'll experiment some more. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace Sent: 22. mai 2010 14:28 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11 Hi: Do you have the IDE set up to use indenting and how many spaces did you specify or did you leave it as tab characters or what? That determines the indentation, along with a couple of other things, of how it is handled. There are some graphics that are displayed before a line if not turned off and I am not sure whether you are getting the default 4 spaces for the indent, an expanded tab option or whether the spaces before the line number are something else that is just not able to be read by a screen reader or displayed on a Braille Monitor. The first thing to look at is your IDE Settings. Have you set them up or are you just using the Defaults? If you want I will show you how to check them out. Rick USA Rick USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:12 AM Subject: Visual C# 2008 and JAWS 11 > Hi all! > > How to make JAWS speak indentation in Visual C# 2008? > I also have a Braille question further down in this message. > > When I navigate the code editor JAWS don't speak indentation. > I have installed the additional JAWS scripts for VS 2008. > I have checked the speak indentation option and saved it to the msenv2005 > configuration file. > > I can see the indentation on my Braille display but I like both Braille > and > speech. > I also see that there are 4 blank cells to the left of the line number > when > navigating the code editor using Braille. > Except the first line where I can read "Program.CS 1 using System;". > The first line is left justified so that the P in Program.cs appear on the > first cell on my Braille display. > But from line 2 there are 4 blank cells then the line number is shown > before > the actual code begins. > I like that the line number is shown on my Braille display but I'm not > sure > why there are 4 blanks cells to the left of it. > > Like this: > 2 using System.Collections.Generic; > > My second question: > Does all Braille users have this "problem"? > I guess it may be how the code editor is designed and how JAWS outputs it > in > Braille. > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind