RE: VS2010 Poses Challenge Against Visually Challenged
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:41:00 -0500
Interesting it sounds like the scripts just need a few tweaks I will maybe
fight with it this week or next. Not sure when I am a bit swamped with CSUN
coming up.
Ken
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Varun Khosla
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:12 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: VS2010 Poses Challenge Against Visually Challenged
Hi Ken,
Of course, the UI automation was there in .NET framework 3.5 (released
with VS 2008), however, I never encountered it in the VS ide itself as
the components of ide whom I interacted with was not built using WPF
(I can say that using the home row feature of Jaws, HWNDWrapper is
what you most often find as the window class name for a WPF UI
object).
I have also recompiled the VS scripts for Jaws11, still no
improvements with the code editor. I have noticed following problems
with jaws during couple of attempts:
1. Jaws is not speaking the entire line - it just speaks the first
word or a few words but not all of it. I tested the SayLine function
and found that it was not capturing the entire line.
2. Hazy reading - The response to the commands is considerably slow
and unpredictable compare to what it used to be. If I quickly press
downarrow multiple times, I'm not getting the right line spoken (the
focussed one) - The Jaws seems to get confused. Let alone quick
commands, even reading slowly using the up and down arrow keys does
not produce predictable output. I had faced such unpredictable and
hazy reading earlier also - when working with NetBeans for Java - I
just opted to use Eclipse instead for this very reason.
3. No Intellisense announcement - well if it's not properly reading
the static text (the written one), I cannot expect it to support
dynamic intellisense - still, this is another important area it's
missing.
Well I'm using the old VS 2005 Jaws scripts. has anyone developed or
got one for VS 2008 or 2010 especially written to handle problems with
UIA? I'll be greatful if I can get this problem solved quickly - else
I have to restraint myself from using VS 2010, which seems to be the
IDE for the new project recently assigned to me.
On 2/19/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> Um ui automation was in 2008 so this is nothing new. If you didn't use
the
> scripts with the last version you would have had problems. All that needs
> to probably happen is the scripts need to be slightly adjusted.
>
> Did you even try recompiling the scripts for 2010?
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hrvoje Katic
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:46 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: VS2010 Poses Challenge Against Visually Challenged
>
> They added UI Automation support to VS2010, so if you're using XP, it's
> recommended to install UI Automation update for XP and use JAWS 11 which
> supports UI Automation.
>
> On 18.2.2010 15:35, Varun Khosla wrote:
>> Hi listers,
>> What was expected has turned out to be true: MS has translated most of
>> its VS user interface into WPF user interface in the latest release of
>> its popular IDE - VS 2010. I have installed VS 2010 RC today and found
>> the most basic things - the code editor - totally inaccessible with
>> Jaws (10) due to being developed in WPF. Then, I installed jaws 11,
>> hoping for some resolution, as it is boasted to support UIA (WPF
>> accessibility API) - but it too turned out to be of little help - even
>> menus which were accessible with Jaws10 became inaccessible. Although
>> some sort of reading abbility is regained with the code editor - but
>> not at all matching the standard we, as programmers, expect.
>>
>> Things are getting more and more challenging and difficult as MS
>> continues to experiment with its UI.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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