Well it is one of those things just one person will need to sit with it a few days because if you get to many cooks you will get one hell of a stew and one crappy IDE. I don't have time right this second so if he is trying I would like to give him that chance to try before I jump back on it. As soon as I have to do a couple projects in 2010 I will worry about it I have it on my Machine but Iamb not scheduled to write any in it at least till after CSUN. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 7:48 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: VS2010 Poses Challenge Against Visually Challenged Hi Ken, Justin was trying to get scripters together for a project to do this. I'm not sure if he's on this list. He is probably on program-l or the scripting list. Jim Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810 Skype: jim.homme Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:41 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: VS2010 Poses Challenge Against Visually Challenged Interesting it sounds like the scripts just need a few tweaks I will maybe fight with it this week or next. Not sure when I am a bit swamped with CSUN coming up. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Varun Khosla Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:12 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: VS2010 Poses Challenge Against Visually Challenged Hi Ken, Of course, the UI automation was there in .NET framework 3.5 (released with VS 2008), however, I never encountered it in the VS ide itself as the components of ide whom I interacted with was not built using WPF (I can say that using the home row feature of Jaws, HWNDWrapper is what you most often find as the window class name for a WPF UI object). I have also recompiled the VS scripts for Jaws11, still no improvements with the code editor. I have noticed following problems with jaws during couple of attempts: 1. Jaws is not speaking the entire line - it just speaks the first word or a few words but not all of it. I tested the SayLine function and found that it was not capturing the entire line. 2. Hazy reading - The response to the commands is considerably slow and unpredictable compare to what it used to be. If I quickly press downarrow multiple times, I'm not getting the right line spoken (the focussed one) - The Jaws seems to get confused. Let alone quick commands, even reading slowly using the up and down arrow keys does not produce predictable output. I had faced such unpredictable and hazy reading earlier also - when working with NetBeans for Java - I just opted to use Eclipse instead for this very reason. 3. No Intellisense announcement - well if it's not properly reading the static text (the written one), I cannot expect it to support dynamic intellisense - still, this is another important area it's missing. Well I'm using the old VS 2005 Jaws scripts. has anyone developed or got one for VS 2008 or 2010 especially written to handle problems with UIA? I'll be greatful if I can get this problem solved quickly - else I have to restraint myself from using VS 2010, which seems to be the IDE for the new project recently assigned to me. On 2/19/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Um ui automation was in 2008 so this is nothing new. If you didn't use the > scripts with the last version you would have had problems. All that needs > to probably happen is the scripts need to be slightly adjusted. > > Did you even try recompiling the scripts for 2010? > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hrvoje Katic > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:46 AM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: VS2010 Poses Challenge Against Visually Challenged > > They added UI Automation support to VS2010, so if you're using XP, it's > recommended to install UI Automation update for XP and use JAWS 11 which > supports UI Automation. > > On 18.2.2010 15:35, Varun Khosla wrote: >> Hi listers, >> What was expected has turned out to be true: MS has translated most of >> its VS user interface into WPF user interface in the latest release of >> its popular IDE - VS 2010. I have installed VS 2010 RC today and found >> the most basic things - the code editor - totally inaccessible with >> Jaws (10) due to being developed in WPF. Then, I installed jaws 11, >> hoping for some resolution, as it is boasted to support UIA (WPF >> accessibility API) - but it too turned out to be of little help - even >> menus which were accessible with Jaws10 became inaccessible. 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