Re: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
- From: Florian-achtige <florianbeijers@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 06:34:52 -0700
Question:
Someone here said they could do everything they need in Eclipse and
named .net development. That seems plausible but I am missing one
little thing. How are you doing GUI design in there?
Sorry if this has been covered before I am jst curious :D
Florian
2011/5/25, Homme, James <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Hi Jacob,
> Check out the process of doing Eclipse key bindings for the plug in to see
> if any commands show up.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 7:03 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>
> The one guy is now busy working on going through the specific tutorial
> material, and writing up descriptions for the screen captures, diagrams,
> etc., and then the idea would be for him to sit down next to me while we try
> going through parts of it, so in meantime I'm just carrying on with more
> general python reference/tutorial material, but let's see...
>
> Stay well
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>
>
> ----- Original Message ---------------
>
> Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 06:44:23 -0400
> To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>>Hi Jacob,
>>OK. Just say if you need something. Oh, and ask your mates if they can tab
>> to the stuff they want you to click on. Seriously, though, I just thought
>> of this. I wonder if whatever you are running has commands in Eclipse.
>> Perhaps you can change key strokes so that they get to what you need. Or
>> maybe you can talk to the plug-in developer and get keyboard support for
>> whatever this thing is.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 4:13 PM
>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: Re: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>
>>Sighted had nothing to do with it, except the sighted guys I work with seem
>>not to realise that I don't 'see' the controls/parts of the interface they
>>want me to click on...LOL!
>>
>>Jacob Kruger
>>Blind Biker
>>Skype: BlindZA
>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:24 PM
>>Subject: Re: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>
>>
>>> great, according to this things I am sighted:)
>>> Hurey!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Katherine Moss" <Katherine.Moss@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:14 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>
>>>
>>> I heard the same thing, guys, so no worries there.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 1:34 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> No. He didn't do that. I kno he didn't. Because he knows that the NVDA
>>> people use it and they are blind. Where's my candy?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:58 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>
>>> *blinks a few times*
>>>
>>> Wait, did you just imply that source control is only for sighties?
>>>
>>> Uhm ... surely I misread?
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>> Sina
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:15 AM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>
>>> Well, maybe the sighted guys here want to make use of the version control
>>> stuff, but, no worries - wasn't in any way complaining about any input
>>> from this side...<smile>
>>>
>>> Jacob Kruger
>>> Blind Biker
>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ---------------
>>>
>>> Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:00:32 -0400
>>> To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>>Hi Jacob,
>>>>I'd say maybe these things. First, automatic code formatting. Second,
>>>>it will keep your project files all together for you. Then,
>>> it has CVS, for working in teams. Other than that, I'd say it's not all
>>> that useful, or at least to me it's not. The only reason I started
>>> messing
>>> with it in Java is because I was anticipating that I was going to be told
>>> to learn Java, and because the development environment here is based on
>>> it. Other than that, give me EdSharp. If I don't like how it works, I can
>>> write code snippets for myself. Plus, I really like the indentation
>>> features and the little JAWS stuff I tweaked it with. Didn't mean to
>>> sound
>>> like I was blowing my horn there. Sorry.
>>>>
>>>>Jim
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob
>>>>Kruger
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:55 AM
>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>
>>>>Well, eclipse just makes no sense to me - as in, the nasty/honest version
>>>>is what's the point of trying to use it?
>>>>
>>>>As in, firstly, what does it offer, and how are you then meant to do
>>>>basic things, like navigate what you'd call something like the
>>> parent folder of your project, etc?
>>>>
>>>>Sorry, but I will have to find out from the other developers this side
>>>>why they need/want to use eclipse at all if you understand
>>> what I mean, since for basic python work, edSharp is more than good
>>> enough, using it along with command line calls to test/try run things,
>>> and
>>> for windows executables, I have put together py2exe if I want to generate
>>> stand alone executables for the current stuff I have gotten around to
>>> trying out in python - all command line thus far.
>>>>
>>>>Anyway, I mean, thanks for your efforts, but am not really finding any
>>>>reasons why using eclipse for python development work makes
>>> much sense at all thus far..?
>>>>
>>>>Stay well
>>>>
>>>>Jacob Kruger
>>>>Blind Biker
>>>>Skype: BlindZA
>>>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ---------------
>>>>
>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 10:41:08 -0400
>>>> To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
>>>><programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Jacob,
>>>>>I can try to install PyDev here and see if maybe we can compare notes.
>>>>>I have JAWS 11, and soon 12, available. This machine is XP
>>> Professional, SP2. I forget, what were the specific issues? And if it
>>> will
>>> help you, I can see if I can extract the PyDev documentation, assuming I
>>> get it installed correctly. Maybe I'd better go and get Python first.
>>> This
>>> may take a little longer than I thought. I'll do it if you like, still,
>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob
>>>>>Kruger
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:28 AM
>>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, just double checked in readme.htm file, and it reckons it's version
>>>>>3.6.2 FWIW.
>>>>>
>>>>>Stay well
>>>>>
>>>>>Jacob Kruger
>>>>>Blind Biker
>>>>>Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ---------------
>>>>>
>>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>> From: Jacob Kruger <jacobk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 16:21:04 +0200
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>>We did use something on the help menu to make sure certain plugins
>>>>>>were installed, but I can't change the version currently have
>>> since something to do with licensing of certain plugins or something, but
>>> will just double check on that one with the guys this side as well, but
>>> it's taken them a bit of time to get to downloading even this version,
>>> with it's specific add ons, etc., so let's see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Stay well
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jacob Kruger
>>>>>>Blind Biker
>>>>>>Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ---------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>>> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 09:38:05 -0400
>>>>>> To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
>>>>>><programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Jacob,
>>>>>>>The version I am using is 3.6. I am working on JAWS scripts for it,
>>>>>>>so I destroyed it and installed it again, so I could make
>>> sure I was using the default settings. I don't have PyDev installed right
>>> now. Are you able to get 3.6? I forget most of what I learned about
>>> Python, so I expect to be very little help there. If you get 3.6, you can
>>> go into the Help menu and install stuff. I was thinking of trying out the
>>> Web Tools Plug-in, since I'm going to be doing a lot of HTML work soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob
>>>>>>>Kruger
>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:19 AM
>>>>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The test project just tried creating was in fact a pydev project,
>>>>>>>but it didn't seem to mean much in terms of any relation to
>>> how the interface/IDE is meant to then have any real relevance to python
>>> development - let me choose items to add from a list of python relevant
>>> things, like class, etc., but still.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sorry, but have never really looked into eclipse before, and the
>>>>>>>eclipse specific tutorial material I got along with this whole
>>> version of it, is just pretty much minimal actual text, and a bunch of
>>> scanned images, so it hasn't meant too much to me either...<smile>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Like said, I think the idea would be to allow eclipse to help manage
>>>>>>>references to classes/modules, and maybe help with
>>> compiling/wrapping the python code into then relevant executable versions
>>> or something, but not too sure on that either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Stay well
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jacob Kruger
>>>>>>>Blind Biker
>>>>>>>Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ---------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Subject: RE: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>>>> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 08:04:03 -0400
>>>>>>> To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
>>>>>>><programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi Jacob,
>>>>>>>>I have no practical experience with this, but try PyDev for Eclipse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob
>>>>>>>>Kruger
>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:58 AM
>>>>>>>>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>Subject: Trying to work in eclipse using a version of python
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ok, I do have the sound effect jaws scripts installed, and have
>>>>>>>>been going through some other python tutorial material, and
>>> python itself makes enough sense to me, but eclipse seems really pretty
>>> much useless/pointless, aside from the fact that I might need to use it
>>> for a specific type of work that has had a bunch of plugins installed
>>> into
>>> eclipse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I can sort of tell it to do things like create a project, but I
>>>>>>>>would then sort of expect things like solution explorers, etc.,
>>> but don't seem to find anything of any real interest here...?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I am also now planning to look at the following comparison between
>>>>>>>>VS and eclipse interface, but they do, unfortunately mention
>>> diagrams, etc., so it's obviously targeting sighted guys:
>>>>>>>>http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-eclipse-vis
>>>>>>>>ualstudio/?ca=dgr-btw01Eclipse-VS#ibm-content
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Aside from that, EdSharp works perfectly well enough/fine for me
>>>>>>>>with regard to editing python source, so might need to try
>>> figure out if can in fact implement these specific plugins without using
>>> eclipse - don't see why it shouldn't be possible since think the actual
>>> eclipse IDE plugins are more related to automatic code
>>> generation/wizards,
>>> etc., but will have to double check on that one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anyway, just wondering if anyone else has done much with things
>>>>>>>>like eclipse and python combinations, or if, aside from intro
>>> material along with scripts, are there any other types of material
>>> related
>>> to getting used to the jumbled up interface that eclipse seems to make
>>> use
>>> of..?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Stay well
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jacob Kruger
>>>>>>>>Blind Biker
>>>>>>>>Skype: BlindZA
>>>>>>>>'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>>>>>
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