The point continues to be missed!Oil comes out of the ground from wells which were drilled some decades ago during which time the companies were making profit at 10 dollars per barrel. it is sold at present prices, not because that represents it's present production cost but because that is what people will pay and that is well known and demonstrated daily. Presumably there is a lowest price below which that oil would no longer be profitable, a price below production cost but that cannot be anything like the present going rate.
A neighbour who lives across the lane behind me has a few small "independent" gasoline stations. Every day he drives around town looking at the present prices being charged by the chains and adjusts his prices accordingly. This is not a reflection of his costs. It isn't part of a monopoly he belongs to.
Gold is presently selling for something well over $1300.00 an ounce. This means that some mines are operating and profiting which otherwise could not but it doesn't mean I can buy cheaper gold from a lower cost producer or that they are passing up the opportunity to make outrageous profits. Neither does it have anything to do with the size of the market, in deed, if anything it is because of the size and demand of the market.
Admittedly, costs do appear to come down, I have a Bearing 20 MB external hard drive I bought for my HP125 computer back in about 1983 for $7000 about half the price of a mini van back then. It is about 16 by 18 inches and about 5 inches high. I can now buy a thousand gigs for under a hundred bucks in a package similar in size to a CD jewel case. Although I haven't been in the commercial market I'll bet that a server of similar capability to modern computer systems as that hard drive was for my system back in 83 is still a few thousands of dollars. In real terms it does a bunch more but probably not in general terms and in the modern context.
Dale Leavens. Now, can we maybe get back to programming?----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerneels Roos" <kerneels@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 6:18 AM Subject: Re: The Cost Of Braille Displays
I've also read about another technology, more recent, that also was supposed to be much cheaper to produce than the piso-electric solenoid type of mechanism used in most displays. It would press the dots into a sort of plastic, giving the impression that you were reading Braille on plastic or paper. This particular tech was earmarked as a great candidate for the ongoing search for the "the holy Braille" -- a full page Braille display.However, this is not really the point, and a cheaper technology will not make the devices cheaper if governments keep on forking out astronomical amounts for them. Not only govs but any large corporation for that matter.But there are not only one manufacturer of such devices, but why don't we see compettition then I ask. Simple, there must be a cartel at work, where they all come together and make up a nice price. Once again the consumer could pressurise them into asking fair prices. And that's what we should be doing.I wish I knew the answer to this, but the end result is that thousands of people in developing world are deprived and in the developed world tax payers end up paying more I presume. So who benefits really?There's nothing wrong with asking a fair price, but there's everything wrong with asking too much, and Idon't accept the argument that the prices are justified -- it's just too much. It can be high, but not this high.On 10/15/2010 12:03 PM, Alex Midence wrote:They have a captive market and buyers who have tax dollars to spend. The device is specialized and requires a specialized crew to troubleshoot. Add all taht together, especially the bit about the tax dollars, and you have a recipe for outrageous, unreasonable markups. Personally, I think it's disgusting to do this to a market of people who are often unemployed and have limited funds. I once read that the blind community suffers from an unemployment rate of about 75%. That's insane! Insane! Anyway, I know enough other blind people in my city who don't have jobs to give some credence to the figure. I once came across an article about a refreshable braille system that relied on tiny bits of compressed air and not necessarily pins to produce the dots. It was supposed to be much much cheaper and much more flexible since there was talk about putting it in such places as ATM machines and the like and creating multiple devices with the technology. It was years and years ago and I dearly wish I remembered the name of the technology but, I don't think it got enough funding or generated enough interest to take off. More's the pity. Someone in the medical field, of all places, was behind it. Alex M On 10/15/10, Jacob Kruger<Jacob.Kruger@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Target market size...as in they know they won't be selling too many of them this side in the first place, so they ship less, so it costs more per unit,etc. Etc.My initial jaws licence I bought through a friend of mine in the USA, using his name and address, since it cost me around two thirds of what it would have cost me this side, and he just brought the package over to me when he came to visit his family, and while the local distributors know I handled it this way, they have never really complained, and quite happily then sold me my SMA a little while ago, using my same licence number, but they have, Isuppose, taken over the distributor status of my specific licence number/package now...Same way, and not related to programming at all, but I think that while wepay a subsidised price for a cane, they get supplied free to members of groups like the AFB etc. - I might be confused, but anyway... OTOH, at least we can buy different colours of canes...LOL! This also relates to when I bought my KSonar, the nearest distributor toAfrica, from Malaysia, wanted literally double what I paid for it, when I bought it directly from the manufacturing company in NZ - they understood, agreed with me, and they even modified the power plug for the recharge unit for me before shipping it, but anyway...like said, that doesn't relate toprogramming, whereas the Braille display can/does.(the other joke is that in Malaysia, VI guys aren't allowed to make use of credit cards either, so they would have wanted me to go into a bank to do aforeign exchange funds transfer as well - wonder how their one VI deputy government minister at the time felt about that one...?) Stay well Jacob Kruger jacob.kruger@xxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kerneels RoosSent: 15 October 2010 10:22 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: The Cost Of Braille Displays Hi Everyone, I couldn't help but notice a post in which a claim was made that FS can manufacture and ship a 40 cell Braille display for around $400. In South Africa where I live, a new Focus 40 Blue is about the most affordable 40 cell display one can find and it sells for around R 27,000which is about $ 3,857 given a exchange rate of R to $ of 7 to 1. What is going on here? But let's double the initial cost to $ 800 just in case, and somewhere, somehow you still have: $ 3,857 - $ 800 = $ 3,057 which is 79.25 % of the final cost. What is going on here? The average price however for a 40 cell display is nothing less than R 31,000 which is $ 4,428 and the FS Focus 40 Blue is just a really good value item one (in our market of course) i if you can call it such... What is going on here? The system is broken and the system is not benefitting the majority, therefore the system must change. The system can only change if the end users exert pressure. Notice "the system". It's no individual's company as such. What can we do?? -- Kerneels Roos Cell: +27 (0)82 309 1998 Skype: cornelis.roos "Common Sense" is not "Common Practice" . "The Strawberry Jam Law: The wider you spread it, the thinner it gets..." -- from the Java Specialist Newsletter, from a book on consulting. __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind-- Kerneels Roos Cell: +27 (0)82 309 1998 Skype: cornelis.roos "Common Sense" is not "Common Practice" . "The Strawberry Jam Law: The wider you spread it, the thinner it gets..." -- from the Java Specialist Newsletter, from a book on consulting. __________View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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