Re: Team Excellence Award Winner
- From: james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:06:43 -0500
Hi Teddy,
I am not sure if the pages under consideration are internal to the company
or external and public. That's why I have not answered the question of
where they are to this point.
Thanks.
Jim
James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810
"Never doubt that a thoughtful group of committed citizens can change the
world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead
"Octavian
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CSS doesn't help you to see what's in a picture, what colors it uses, or
how
to align a form in an image with the surrounding text, or with another
image.
You talked about talent of others versus the miss of talent of others.
Shame!
When you do that, you should tell us the address of that web page that
shown
the "talent", and not try to tell us that a blind person can do what a
sighted cannot do, because he could have talent.
A musician that became deaf, can compose a melody if he heard before and if
the knows very well how the instruments sound, but I don't think that
musician could compose the same for some instruments that he never heard
how
they sound.
In the world of design, everything's new for every page. Nothing's the
same.
The colors, the images, the text, the layout of the pages, the style that
should be shown, so each combination is a new one.
(I don't consider "design made by a dlind" the copying and pasting the html
and css elements in a text editor after they were made by others, or after
their layout was verified by other sighted users).
And after so many discussions after this, I still can't see a single web
page made by a "talented" blind web designer.
Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: Team Excellence Award Winner
> Hi,
> None of this stuff was done in a vacuum. There were specifications that
> guided Jeff as he built the interface.
>
> I may be wrong, but I think sometimes people build software for others to
> use. It may also be that some people are talented at things other people
> are not. That may possibly mean that there could possibly be sighted
> programmers who are not good designers of GUI's. It may also be that some
> people who are blind may be able to imagine a layout well enough to be
> able
> to build one. Laying out web GUI's is nothing more than a matter of
simple
> math using whole numbers and percentages. If you have a good
understanding
> of how the CSS box model works, Web is one of the places where you have a
> good chance to succeed because it uses pure text rather than mouse
> movements.
>
> I'll make sure I open my mind in another forum.
>
> Each of us lives in everyone else's world.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
> James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810
>
> "Never doubt that a thoughtful group of committed citizens can change the
> world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead
>
>
>
>
> "Octavian
> Rasnita"
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> 11/28/2007 10:57
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> Please respond to
> programmingblind@
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> In my country there is a very well known yearly contest named
Internetics.
> Well, most of the sites that get awards in that contest, are horrible
from
> the point of view of the blind. So a contest only doesn't mean anything.
>
> Please tell us where can we see the web page made by that blind guy, and
I
> will tell you if a blind person can do it without sighted help.
> I've seen many messages on this list telling how cool web pages can a
> blind
>
> do, with with no single example.
>
> Octavian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:42 PM
> Subject: Team Excellence Award Winner
>
>
>>
>> Hi All,
>> Where I consult, one of our fellow listers was on a team who won a very
>> prestigious award. The team developed a highly visible web application.
>> Jeff Fidler designed and coded the GUI interface for the site using
HTML,
>> CSS and Javascript. He used Section 508 and W3C techniques and the
> sighted
>> people in the company rave about it.
>>
>> I write this to urge anyone who thinks that someone who is blind cannot
>> design Web interfaces well to keep on trying. You can do it.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
>> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810
>>
>> "Never doubt that a thoughtful group of committed citizens can change
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>> world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead
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