Re: Sonified Debugger vs. Screenreader Question
- From: "Bob J." <rjustice004@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:21:07 -0800
Why is easy--the acquisition of a phd! Any colateral benefit is just
gravy...
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: Sonified Debugger vs. Screenreader Question
But as I said I am not against research I am just questioning what benefit
it will provide. If it is a great thing for us how is it great for us.
Surely there is a problem they are trying to solve by doing this research.
All I can get is it is a great thing and no explaination as to why.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jared Wright" <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: Sonified Debugger vs. Screenreader Question
> Jared Wright wrote:
> "The research certainly is intriguing and worthwhile, and users possibly
> playing music
> in the background shouldn't slow it up at all."
>
> I'd hoped to make it clear that whatever research is being conducted is by
> no means a bad thing. However, the general idea this research had seemed
> to be pointing to was some sort of assistive technology that utilized a
> sophistocated sound scheme to inform users rather than the mostly
> text-to-speech mediums we get information through now. There had been
> prier discussion, in this and other threads, about the possible
> practicality of such an idea, and my remark was intended to provide an
> additional take on the overlying concept and to bring something to the
> general idea's discussion that had, to my knowledge, been overlooked.
> Perhaps you are unconsciously allowing John's apparent misgivings about
> the research to modify the context of my own remark. Rest assured, I need
> no convincing of the potential merit of such research. My impression is
> that Andreas, compared to much of the list, is somewhat unfamiliar with
> the kinds of assistive technology we regularly use and just how we use it.
> He seems to be making a thorough effort to learn these things. Knowing
> that at least one blind user, and I would imagine plenty more, listens to
> music or listens consistently to some other sound source while computing
> may effect his research now or in the future. It wouldn't be the first
> time someone thought the tunes went off to account for all the visual
> access technology I use, and given where the general direction of this
> research seems heading, I think it's a relevant tidbit.
>
> JW
>
> Matthew2007 wrote:
>> You kinda contradicted yourself in the first 2 sentences below.
>>
>> Nevertheless, I pretty much understand your point regarding individual
>> differences, but you too are making the same mistake as John. You guys
>> are taking a sample of 1 and applying the findings of this single sample
>> to the entire population of blind individuals. Andreus is not basing his
>> research on what John might or might not like, he is hoping to apply his
>> findings to the majority of the target population, and he cannot do this
>> by simply focusing on John's opinions. McDonald's knows they have no
>> chance with vegetarians, yet they are not throwing in the towel but
>> rather spending millions of dollars in research for most members of their
>> population of food eaters on this planet.
>>
>> Matthew
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Wright"
>> <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 4:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: Sonified Debugger vs. Screenreader Question
>>
>>
>>> Oh, I know that productivity definitely doesn't go down when I turn
>>> Winamp off. But now we have to consider just how great a benefit these
>>> sound schemes could provide, which I tried to allude to in the last
>>> sentence of my original post. Productivity be damned, I'm a musician and
>>> an avid music lover. I consciously sacrifice some productivity in order
>>> to enjoy music while I work. That takes the discussion into the realm of
>>> personal preferences and psychology, (for instance, while I know
>>> productivity is higher, I find myself generally less comfortable in my
>>> working environment if music is not present) so I'll not pull things too
>>> far that way on this list. The research certainly is intriguing and
>>> worthwhile, and users possibly playing music in the background shouldn't
>>> slow it up at all. It's just something I instantly thought of when I
>>> started reading this, since it's something I'd have to confront if ever
>>> presented with an idea like this. I thought it deserved a place on the
>>> table. Before I go...
>>>
>>> "You might be interested in knowing that some research shows that while
>>> music may not redirect attention dramatically, listening to spoken
>>> words such as commercials and especially talk shows on the radio does
>>> interfere with human attention."
>>> NO radio for me. It's all off my hard drive, hence there're no
>>> commercials. I haven't researched this topic very thoroughly, I admit,
>>> but your info implies that this would not be as distracting, since it's
>>> all music and music the user is probably familiar with at that. Just
>>> thought it should be clarified, since I don't think this is uncommon,
>>> what with people's personal media libraries able to all fit on the
>>> tiniest of storage devices now.
>>>
>>> JW
>>>
>>> Matthew2007 wrote:
>>>> Interesting you mention computing when music is playing. I can't stand
>>>> doing this as I cannot focus while my attention is constantly
>>>> redirected from the task at hand to each different song on the radio.
>>>> You might be interested in knowing that some research shows that while
>>>> music may not redirect attention dramatically, listening to spoken
>>>> words such as commercials and especially talk shows on the radio does
>>>> interfere with human attention.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding your comments on productivity, you might find it interesting
>>>> to also run a little bit of a reversal design in that you might want to
>>>> find a manner of assessing your productivity when listening to the
>>>> radio for a month or so, then assess productivity for the following
>>>> month without listening to the radio, then finally assessing
>>>> productivity for the third month while listening to the radio. You
>>>> might surprise yourself in that you might find you can focus much
>>>> better as well as completing tasks much faster if you turn off the
>>>> radio in order to not spread your pool of attention over multiple tasks
>>>> rather than just a few tasks.
>>>>
>>>> Matthew
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Wright"
>>>> <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 1:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Sonified Debugger vs. Screenreader Question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> John Greer wrote:
>>>>>> "But Mat don't you want to program to Beethoven?"
>>>>> Interesting you should put it like that, since that's been my
>>>>> overwhelming thought during the time I've been reading this thread. I
>>>>> don't know how the rest of you feel about other sounds in your
>>>>> computing environment, but I am rarely if ever working without
>>>>> music playing. A variety of other factors in my computing environment
>>>>> generate sound. One nice thing about the boring, droning speech
>>>>> synthesizers is that they do isolate themselves within a certain
>>>>> segment of my aural consciousness, allowing me to interpret what
>>>>> they're telling me without having to pick their cues out amongst from
>>>>> whatever my current soundscape might be. IN order for me to entertain
>>>>> the idea of using something that uses a lot of auxiliary "normal"
>>>>> sounds, I'd have to see more than a cursory potential spike in
>>>>> productivity.
>>>>>
>>>>> JW
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