Laura: You have brought back memories! I remember I had a Vert Plus synthetizer way back when. It is probably still in a box somewhere. I remember it spoke clearly at the time, but it was s-l-o-w. I don't exactly remember what I used it with. I began using Jaws around 1989 or 1990, in its DOS 1.0 version. Those were the days when you could pick up the phone and talk to Ted Henter in Saint Pete. I had several hardware synthetizers over the years, including I remember, one made in New Zealand, but don't remember the make. I have used only software synthetizers lately. Screen readers have really come a long way, although lately, my VFW 9.0 seems to be getting stuck way too often. I also began with Arkenstone way before Open Book, but don't remember even what they used to call their early versions. Kind Regards, Bert -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of tribble Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 10:04 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Some stories Hi Andreas -- I don't have a specific story, but back around 1991 I was using a DOS screen reader Called Vert -- actually the top of the line was called Vert Plus, which I used at work, and at home I used PersonalVert, dubbed "the little PerVert" by those who used it. Anyway, VertPlus used a hardware synth called the Prose card. It was developed by a Swedish computer scientist who used his own voice to define the various sounds of speech which were concatenated to form words. The firmware had many heuristics to make sentences sound natural, but it was not advanced right then (remember 1991 was still pretty primitive in this area). But the result of the implementation had some surprises: First, the synth sounded like it had a Swedish accent, and for that reason I nicknamed the system "Swen". What was also funny was that the sound of "j" which doesn't occur in Swedish, sounded like "sh" or "h" or even "k" -- so that some words, such as ginger, were quite baffling on VertPlus but clear on PerVert. Second, on the Prose card, certain phrases were pronounced so that parts of the syllables were compressed or altered depending on the heuristics. This led to some bizarre situations in which the synth would read a perfectly reasonable phrase as if it had profanity embedded in it. This made me think that the "pervert" title applied more to VertPlus than Vert. *smile* (Note, there was no profanity actually inserted, but syllables were compressed so that it could be interpreted that way by someone not used to the synth.) For that reason I always used headphones! (One phrase I remember -- an email with the phrase "fudge in cafeteria". I'll let you figure out the result.) As for programming, I used this screen reader only to read emails and text documents and not so much for programming. This because it was not designed for programming and even for text, the command set in those early screen readers was quite awkward. I only bought them because I had a catastrophic problem with my vision, and so lost the ability to read print for some months. But when my vision returned, I went back to screen magnification. Now I again have no print vision yet again but wow, have screen readers ever improved! Good luck on your dissertation. Cheers and happy hacking! --le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Stefik" <stefika@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:54 PM Subject: Some stories Hello all, I have recently completed the first draft of my dissertation, which is on blind computer programmers and using audio to program. In it, I've created a special C programming environment, ran a ton of experiments, and written more than any human would probably want to read. At the very end of my dissertation, I thought it might be nice to include a section, a few paragraphs, on some "classically bad audio interfaces." Does anyone have any stories of interacting with a program, using Jaws or any other interfaces that use audio, that are so comically bad that they have you scratching your head? I would love to hear some stories, if folks wouldn't mind sharing. (The funnier the better) Just curious, Andreas __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind