Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:31:51 +1100
From: Sean Murphy <smurf_bp@xxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN
Hi,
the problem with that you don't have consistency across platforms with
applications being used.
I can tell you all now, windows has far better accessibility support than
any other OS platform on a larger range of applications. MAC and Linux
are
improving greatly, but there is a long way to go.
Regards
Sean Murphy
Skype: smurf20005
Life is a challenge, treat it that way.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN
>I think that a good comparison shouldn't take into account only the
>programs considered part of the OS. What should that thing prove?
>Nothing.
>Who's using only the programs bundled with the OS?
>
> A good comparison should compare everything. Windows + Jaws + all the
> programs that can be used under Windows, Linux with Orca and all the
> programs that can be used under Linux, and so on.
>
> This way would be much simple to let each competitor use whatever he or
> she likes under the prefered OS, and show if it can do some task easier
> than other competitors under other systems.
>
> Octavian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:41 AM
> Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
> CSUN
>
>
>>
>>
>> Narrator is not a screen reader so again that is not a true test.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Greer
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:16 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
>> CSUN
>>
>> Agreed, it is not too hard to figure out that Jaws is still top dog in
>> the
>> screen reader market all be it debatable. That is why I feel it
>> should
>> be
>> orca vs narrator vs voice over. Orca is in fact part of the OS if you
>> use
>> the Gnome desktop with Ubuntu or Fedora etc.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:57 PM
>> Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
>> CSUN
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then for Linux you could not use Orca because it is not part of the
>>> OS
>>> only Mac would win that contest. We need to do this kind of thing
>>> seriously.
>>> I
>>> would say don't use Jaws use System Access it is free if you use the
>>> online version Thus you could say Mac is free voice over, Linux is
>>> free Orca and Vista free as well.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John
>>> Greer
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:14 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
>>> CSUN
>>>
>>> In fact, to make it even more fair, don't use Jaws at all and Just
>>> use
>>> Narrator. Either XP's Narrator or Vista. Betcha we would see a
>>> productivity difference then huh?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
>>> CSUN
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well the point is dueling operating systems right? That means that
>>>> one operating system has to win over all right? Or is it instead,
>>>> how fast a bunch of people on Macs can burn a CD, How fast a bunch
>>>> of Windows users can open a website? If that is so, I personally
>>>> would rather know how each of the operating systems stack up against
>>>> each other from a productivity stand point.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Chris Meredith" <tallin32@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:32 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
>>>> CSUN
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Wouldn't that only be effective if the system specs were similar?
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John
>>>>> Greer
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:24 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems
>>>>> at
>>>>> CSUN
>>>>>
>>>>> Quickest boot times from first press of the on button to screen
>>>>> reader start.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
>>>>> CSUN
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I am moderating an event called Dueling Operating Systems at the
>>>>>>CSUN conference next week. Three users of an operating system and
>>>>>>screen reader combination will compete for a couple hours:
>>>>>>Windows
>>>>>>with JAWS, the Mac with VoiceOver, and Gnome/Unix with Orca.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We agreed to develop a long list of possible tasks that would each
>>>>>> take from about 3 to 5 minutes using software that comes with the
>>>>>> operating system, except for JAWS and Microsoft Office. Either I
>>>>>> or others I enlist would pick a selection of tasks from the list
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the actual event.
>>>>>> Each task should be described in a general enough way so that
>>>>>> someone can choose the application and screen reader techniques
>>>>>> that achieve the same result.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If anyone has suggestions about possible tasks to include on the
>>>>>> list, I welcome such input.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamal
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