dude, there has been a slow, I grant, but moving up trend to 64 bit from the first, if you watch the actual trends and the IT maps (I get reports sent to me, don't ask me for one, I dump them almost as fast as I get them, else my HD would be more crowded than it already is). it has been moving up more aggressively since vista, and has jumped since the release of SP1.
and another note, jaws stands for "Job Access With Speech" and VI folks are loosing, or are being downgraded in there job status due to companies being on the rise in changing over to 64 bit systems and OS's,
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To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 7:16 AM Subject: Re: Seeking perspectives on a computer purchasing predicament
First of all jaws and window eyes are not meant to run on servers. If I were in charge of a production server I would not allow someone to install a screen reader on it if that screen reader hooked into the display chain. Second I can't blame the screen readers for not supporting 64 bit, windows xp 64 bit never had any kind of market share. Vista 64 bit has only started to become a viable consumer operating sysstem in the last six months or so, before that there were enough compatibility issues so it was not widely used, and you can't expect a screen reader company to rewrite there entire display chain in under six months.Darragh Ó Héiligh wrote:I think the point through all this should be why the hell have GWMicro and FreedomScientific not added support for 64 bit systems after all this time? It's not like this is new technology. And the fact that best buy are only supplying these machines with 64 bit processors should be the kick we as the customers of these products need to get us motivated to complain and protest to these A T companies to start supporting this new technology. The 64 bit issue extends beyond home users. new servers are now only supplied as 64 bit at the moment as well. This means that people are not only losing out on some ram, their having real problems with employment too! Not to belittle your problems, but you seem to have some communication with these companies. In my opinion you should use this experience to relay your frustration. You shouldn't direct at best buy. Best Buy are inicent in this as far as their technology offerings are concerned. It was certainly not the fault of the sales person in the shop. Standard technology has evolved from 32 bit to 64 bit. Just as before, it evolved from dos to windows based operating systems. Our definition of standard in this areena is constantly evolving and changing. I agree that the delivery person should have called to inform you that he would not be there at the scheduled time. That's just bad customer service but that's not best buy's fault. I would urge you all to focus on the lack of 64 bit technology by A T software developers when thinking about this. It should no longer be exceptable not to support this technology. Certainly when it has become such a promenent processor specification in the market. Darragh www.digitaldarragh.com Linux recordings at www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp 2008/10/2 Nimer <nimerjaber1@xxxxxxxxx>:As for best buy and geeksquad? I can't stand them with a passion. Thanks NImer J Nimer M. Jaber The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which itis addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Anyreview,retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action inreliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Website: http://www.empowertheblind.org Phone: (720) (251-4530) Christy Schulte wrote:I sure hope they intend to give you some kind of discount after all of this. What a pain, and very bad customer service. Not to mention you're paying for two and a half gb of memory you can't even use.His refusal to call other best buy stores, and failure to call you before hand in and of itself should be enough for them to give you a cost break.Free installation, perhaps?anyway, looks like your questions got answered in a previous message. Goodluck. Christy Freebie Force, a great resource for finding free stuff and even making cash. http://faylen.nocashever.com Or email me for more info. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: Seeking perspectives on a computer purchasing predicamentAbout 10 days ago, I purchased a new computer from a Best Buy store inSilver Spring, Maryland. My hope was to get good value on the computer and from the store's "Geek Squad" service that delivers and installs it, including a wireless network. I had not bought a new computer in severalyears and was not familiar with hardware differences in current offerings.I knew I wanted the home version of Windows Vista, and asked the senior technical representative on duty for a recommendation on a computer thatused "industry-standard" components as much as possible, therebymaximizing compatibility with the screen reader technology that I used.I emphasized memory and hard disk space over a graphics card and monitorintended for games. The representative indicated that he understood myneeds and recommended a Del computer with relatively large memory and hard disk specifications.Last Saturday, a Geek Squad technician delivered the computer to my home,installed it and the wireless network. At the end of the process, hementioned that it was a 64-bit computer. I was shocked and dismayed as I knew that no screen reader worked with 64-bits yet. As evidence, I hadhim run a copy of JAWS, which immediately said it would not work on a64-bit computer. The technician acknowledged that it had been a mistake to recommend such a computer, particularly in the context of my request for industry-standard components, and without even asking me if 64-bitswas an acceptable specification. He said he would return on Wednesday with a replacement, 32-bit computer.It had not occured to me to specify 32-bits because I had perceived it,although changing over time, as still being a feature of high-end computers intended for a circumscribed set of resource-intensive applications, rather than for customers at a Best Buy store with a typical consumer interest in running a range of applications, including ones found on the Internet. The technician was scheduled to arrive between noon and 4 PM on Wednesday,yesterday. I took a vacation day from work to be there, though I had not wanted to lose vacation time for this originally. Despite repeated calls I made during the day to confirm the appointment, the technician did notcall me until about 4:30 from the Best Buy store, where he said hediscovered no 32-bit computers available. He discussed the problem with others there and said their recommendation was to load a 32-bit versionof Vista on the 64-bit computer I purchased. Although they had little actualexperience with this, and were unable to contact a Del representative to confirm the approach, they were confident it would work except that only3.5 out of the 6 gigabytes of memory would be addressable because that wasan upper limit for 32-bit Windows. I asked but they were not willing to call other Best Buy stores in the greater DC area to check if they had a32-bit Del computer in stock. I said I would go along with this plan, nowscheduled for a Sunday installation at my home, but that I would have to do immediate testing of various programs to assure myself that there wereno compatibility problems. Since it is a few days away, I thought it best to schedule the re-install and do some additional research in the meantime. With that background, I am seeking information and advice from listmembers on a few questions. Will there be no compatibility problems from loading 32-bit Vista and drivers on a 32-bit computer. Specifically, itis a Del Inspiron Model I530-110B.Is 3.5 gigabytes the maximum addressable memory in this case? Would thesame limit be true on a 32-bit computer?I had also purchased Microsoft Office Professional 2007. They said that the same version runs on either 32-bit or 64-bit computers. Is that thecase?Does anyone have more experience to share about Best Buy and Geek Squad? The representatives involved say that they usually sell 64-bit computers now. I find this surprising since I thought a majority of software stillrequires 32-bits today. Is their statement credible? Is this the default retail practice now? 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