Re: Searching for blind programmer to start a school for blind programmers

  • From: "RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 09:30:18 -0400

Hay Guys: I decided to head up this project. OK, so we could have a online classroom with various subjects being taught and Expert Tutors available on call for students anytime. Now, this will be a large project which will likely take a year to implement fully with the necessary Business, Government and Technical arena processes needing a goodly amount of professional action. I figure that one year of work providing this level of Expertise including registering any free Tutors and setting everything up is around a 6 figure job. Let me know if you are interested in getting started right away. i will accept either a monthy salary or weekly or even bi-weekly - whichever is most affordable to you. You will also be required to pick up the costs involved to provide any Legal or Business related expenses, technical training for staff and any hardware and software necessary to get the first year's project implemented. We can set up the results as a modular structure based on completed modules over a specific timeframe during which time you can fire me at any time if I do not meet projections. I have other commitments just now but if you have say $25,000 available for some legal fees and business related expenses as well as some initial hardware and software we can get started with developing the Business Plan for your organization as soon as you cut me my first check. If you want the total year's projected cost structure along with my salary requirements, you can send me my first month's retainer of $10,000 and I will contact you to set up a Business Plan based on your requirements.

Later:
Rick USA
Rick USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Wright" <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: Searching for blind programmer to start a school for blind programmers


Some reasoning to support this would be helpful. Absolutely no disrespect meant, but you do not seem to be in the workplace in a typical software development capacity given your fairly rudimentary questions on the list about modern programming concepts. That really is not meant as a criticism, please do not take it as such. Also please correct me if my observations have lead me to the wrong conclusion. But usability/accessibility analysis and mainstream software engineering are like steak and potatoes. Both play an important role in a great meal but are very different in their preparation. so some additional context for why you feel a separatist educational environment for programming would be beneficial would help me understand why you take the position you do.
On 4/8/2011 7:26 AM, Homme, James wrote:
Hi,
As someone already in the work place, I think it would be a good thing.

Jim

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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 4:29 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Searching for blind programmer to start a school for blind programmers

I also am inclined to agree with this. I'm just finished with school and
haven't gotten to see first hand just how much of an impact it will have
in the workforce, I admit, but I know I learned a lot about not just
programming but about working smoothly on a development team otherwise
made up of sighted developers by going to a "normal" university for
CompSci. My fear would be that in a special environment for blind
programming instruction all the tools used for class would be the most
accessible ones available. Then a student would get into the work force
with an employer who doesn't use those ideal accessible tools and the
student would be ill-equipped to problem solve this challenge. I think
having a vibrant, active community of blind coders working on things
like nonvisualdevelopment.org and contributing to forums like this one
is a great way to help address the unique challenges of being a blind
coder, but in the grand scheme of things I feel I spend about 10% of my
time devoted to programming and related pursuits finding blind-friendly
ways of using tools or environments. The other 90% is the same process
of learning programming that my sighted peers take on. I also do think
there would be issues with many employers disregarding or harboring
skepticism of applicants who listed a specialized school for blind
people on a resumé. Still, a good idea to kick around and get a variety
of prospectives on.
On 4/7/2011 3:23 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
I agree with this as well.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 1:08 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Searching for blind programmer to start a school for blind programmers

I have to say this even though I think there is a place for what you're
thinking of.

I hate sepertive schools. One of the things that made me a good programmer was competing against the people I would be competing against in the work
world In the academic world.

The salt Lake community college had a class run by novel that taught blind people to code for Novel OS but I found the students that came out of their
knew a single thing and not very well.

Now with that said if the standards are high enough a school like this could be a good benefit but you have to be careful not to dumb down both the speed
of learning or quality thereof.  Of course that is true for all schools.

One last thing though that the regular schools taught me. That is part of
life as a blind coder is finding ways to cope with problems that you run
into. If you have things handed to you, you might not be as affective when
you get out in the work world.

Ken

Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Cox
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:03 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Searching for blind programmer to start a school for blind
programmers

This is still in the dumb-idea phase, and I don't have any funding
lined up to get this started.  That said...

I have not been able to find any on-line school for teaching blind
people to become professional programmers.  I feel the world needs
such an organization.  I am not able to start such a school myself,
but I would be interested in assisting social entrepreneurs in
starting such a venture.  I it would best be implemented as a
for-profit social entrepreneurial venture.  You can read about social
entrepreneurs here:

http://www.ashoka.org/social_entrepreneur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_entrepreneurship

I'm thinking it could be a Low Profit Corporation (LPC) founded to run
the school for a profit.  Everyone hired in teaching or management
would be vision impaired or blind.  Students would attend classes
on-line, and could be anywhere in the world.  Classes would not be
free (maybe $1,000 per 1-semester course?).  Students who are too poor
to pay would be expected to do well in their courses and make up their
fees by assisting teaching of those courses in later semesters.  They
might also be required to work for an associated consulting company to
earn tuition.  Students would be encouraged to help mentor each other
in any case.

Associated with the school could be a software consulting services
company.  The company would only hire vision impaired programmers, and
students wanting to work for the company could take classes designed
to train them in the skills they'll need.  The company might encourage
it's employees to spend one day a week on FOSS projects of their
interest, which hopefully would include improving accessibility.

Rough numbers to back up the idea:  There are around 15 million people
with "severe" vision impairments in the US.  Roughly half of those
people are too old.  Half of the rest may have other impairments that
would prevent them from becoming programmers.  In the general
population, there are 1 programmer out of every 500 people in the US.
I would expect a ratio at least that high among the blind, or about
7,500 professional programmers in the US alone.  If we took 20 years
to train that many, it'd be 375 new students per year, and assuming a
two year program, we'd have 750 students.  If only half paid the class
fees, but took three classes at a time (a full load), that'd be
$3,000*750*2 = $4.5 million per year.  My kids go to a school which
happens to have about 750 students and a budget of just over $4
million per year, and that includes paying for a school.  So, that
math seems to work out, but we're not talking about anyone making a
billion dollars in this effort.  This is not a VC-fundable idea, but
it might attract funding from groups that invest in socially
beneficial startups.

I know a couple of good candidates to start this school, and one might
be interested in actually doing it.  Are there any good blind or
vision impaired people you guys could recommend for me to talk to?  I
think the key would be finding the right couple of guys.

Thanks,
Bill
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