What is being said in this thread is that an artist should be able to say that his own work is beautiful. Beauty though is a matter of opinion. Case in point, there was a modern artist named Andy Warhol. His paintings sold for thousands of dollars and many people thought he was the greatest graphic artist of our modern age. Personally I thought he sucked. He painted pictures of things like Pepsi cans. Now, I ask you does the fact that he sucked in my opinion still make him the greatest modern artist of our time? Undoubtedly he thought he was because he had many people around him that loved his work, but I can guarantee not everyone thought so. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Veli-Pekka Tätilä" <vtatila@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:07 PMSubject: Re: Screen Readers for Visual Web Design (Was: Team Excellence Award Winner)
Hi Trouble et al, I agree with the notion that you cannot fully judje a Web page's visual layout with a screen reader. But on a side note Dolphin's HAL shows the Web page more like it is. It does not apply JAws-style user specified reformatting, and even has an optional navigation mode for simple pages, where the screen reader's virtual focus mode is not used. I'm not saying HAl would be much better than Jaws for Web design, just warning against generalizing from Jaws. -- With kind regards Veli-Pekka Tätilä (vtatila@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) Accessibility, game music, synthesizers and programming: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila Trouble wrote:how true, the views screen readers give us is not true view. To design a web page you have to understand that fact. The other fact is know your code and how to write it, because what you write does what you write. Being blind the only things we have to depend on is the code doing just what it says it will do, because of the way screen readers present web pages. Back when I used netscape for my browser. It would show you the page in full style, but if you went with the short cut keys. Then you have the way we do web pages now in IE7. That was with jaws 3.2, now jaws gives you the view they want you to have.__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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