Re: Screen Reader Compatibility

  • From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:28:04 +0200

regarding the sma, this is another marketing manipulation.
It is about, not how many versions do you have, is about at what time do you have to pay. Because jaws has 2 major version upgrade in sma, but there are three including the one you've just bought.
So I've bought jaws 7.0 in 2006
and with it I had jaws 8 and jaws9 also.
For jaws 10 I had to pay to have 10 and 11.
But there where 3 years between 2006 and 2009 when I had to pay again.
I don't know how many versions does window eyes gets out, but if they gets out 3 versions in 3 yars that means that smas are equal. More over if in the same time windows eyes gets out more versions than jaws, that means or that fs is lazy in repair things, or that gwmicro has enough bugs.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:27 PM
Subject: RE: Screen Reader Compatibility



1. Window Eyes has a self-contained Eloquence driver now that is equal
to JFW's in every way.

Supposedly however when using eloquence and windows 7 in a 64 bit
environment it seems to crash a hell of a lot more than Jaws.

2. Who cares who had scripting back in 1998?  It's now 2010, friend, and
WE took the time to do there's right, and thus you have a scripting
environment that uses programming languages we already use rather than
than proprietary garbage, adheres to better common programming

Doing it right is not always the end all.  The fact that Jaws has been
around a while means more people know how to deal with it and quickly get
solutions working.  I am not saying Jaws is better because I don't believe
that what I am saying is there are more people drunk on the wagon than there
are sober in the crowd.  You also have to know more about coding to get
something working with Window-eyes than you do with Jaws.  In fact this
shows when it comes to seeing how many new things are being done for
Window-eyes verses how many scripts pop up for Jaws on a regular bases. It
takes a coder to write scripts for window-eyes it takes a person just
mucking around to get things working for Jaws.


practices, and supports COM automation (which is truly a beautiful thing.)

Jaws has a way you can use comm. Objects but again I am not saying it is
great and I am not saying many people use it but I have played with it
myself back when we started the visual studio scripts.  The only reason we
didn't use more automation in those scripts to start with is then they would only work with visual studio pro. Someone should revisit those scripts and make a pro only version that would make visual studio even more accessible.

3. The JAWS SMA authorizes only two upgrades, while WE's authorizes three.

Oh boy that is a big difference (NOT) when you end up getting a service like
VA or state services to buy it I don't care how many upgrades they offer
till they drop the prices to compete against system access it don't really
matter.  System access and NVDA might start forcing these two FS and GW to
drop their prices in the near future but for now they are pretty much the
same.

4. JAWS requires an additional $200 for remote desktop access. Window
Eyes does not, making the pricing difference even more clear.

This is only something those of us in the high tech fields really care
about.  Normal working people still go with Jaws because the first part in
this list a work application can be quickly made accessible with no compiler
and no major knowledge of programming.

5. If you insist on cracking, Window Eyes is an easier crack than JFW.

Um yeah now there is a good thing to say. Yes my software is better because it can be hacked in fact the way they did their scripting language has made it really hackible you can even put viruses in other peoples computers while
you're writing your scripts for window-eyes that's good news.

Look it's not worth fighting over which screen reader is better.  You can
say Linux is better but right now Windows is the dominate OS and probably
will be for some time. Of course it's only the more dominate when you look
at desk tops.  Window-eyes is doing some good things in the way they are
marketing to some schools but System access has them beat free is always
better than cheap.  I think the entire access field is about to be stud on
its head because we are changing from a desktop world to a pocket world and Things are becoming more accessible out of the box which makes system access
and voice over and others like that a better solution.  There is no reason
to have a scripting language at all in the long run you just script the OS
and make whatever screen read you want talk.  I think we will find a whole
new world in 2 years at the most.

Ken


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