Kind of a pain in the last centure too...*smile* So how about a beta release and request for comments... It was my experience when doing development that customers demanded things to be on time even when some features were not quite implemented. There was always a tug of war between the people dealing with customers and the people doing the R&D trying to get important features implemented before a release. Customers have their own deadlines to worry about, and sometimes they wanted stuff early and incomplete, but preferably a functioning release if that was possible. At least if you call your software a beta, the expectations weren't so high. Comments? I think to handle the problem supporting legacy code, a group should be assigned the task of easing the impact of upgrading by writing tools that help the process and/or contracting with customers to assist in the transition. --le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:05 AM Subject: RE: SSIP Project Status While I agree with this to a certain extent. There's a great deal of pain, overhead, and possible establishment of buggy/legacy code when one is not careful with this strategy. The logical extension of this method is the release now, patch later, policy which is something most professional software engineers abhor as one of the largest failures of computer science in this century. Lots of users won't upgrade, don't feel that it's necessary to read the release notes detailing any functionality issues, and will still expect a working, professional, and evens supported product at the end of the day. Therefore, to avoid some of this, so that development and not answering support emails can be the target of one's time, I would say a certain baseline for a release is necessary and advisable so as to avoid some of the above headache. Of course, these are my humble thoughts, and I'm not trying to actually imply that they are worth anything. Take care, Sina -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:31 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: SSIP Project Status A suggestion, Jay: don't let perfection be the enemy of the good. There will always be ways of improving a program. It sounded like you were far enough along to at least release a first public beta using the existing, more limited API of Window-Eyes, as well as that of other screen readers. Experience, feedback, and new technologies will naturally help the program improve over time if you are committed to it. No one expects a bug free introduction! Cheers, Jamal On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Macarty, Jay {PBSG} wrote: > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:23:08 -0600 > From: "Macarty, Jay {PBSG}" <Jay.Macarty@xxxxxxxx> > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: SSIP Project Status > > Rick, > I am working on the Windows version of the SSIP server. I currently > have a voice interface implementation for Window-Eyes which uses their > existing COM object. I was hoping to use their new COM capability to > finish out a lot of the function calls which currently are not > accessible like setting or retrieving the voice, rate, pitch, or volume. > These functions are all available in the SSIP interface but only the > SAPI configuration lets all be accomplished. > > I'd be interested in talking with your contact at GW to find out > exactly what their interest is in SSIP. Can you put us together? If > you want to send me contact info off list, just send it to > jay.macarty@xxxxxxxx > > > ________________________________ > > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard > Thomas > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:17 AM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: SSIP Project Status > > > Hi Mac and Guys: > I was just asked by one of the techies at GW Micro about the SSIP > Project Status. I'm not sure so I am asking. Last episode it was > working and getting set to run on various language platforms, sounds > like I know what I'm saying - grin. Anyway what is the status? > Is there a url where I can direct him to find out more? This is > interesting as he is a graybeard Developer over at GW and it is being > asked as WE is getting a new Scripting Language, hmmm. > Rick Farmington Mich. USA > > > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind