In C, the ++ operator, so the joke would be that C++ is C incremented. Cheesy, for sure ... Stefik On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Øyvind Lode <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Thanks Jackie and everyone else: > I now have a load of information/tutorials. > As I understand C++ is like a "new" version of C? > Do I need to have a look at C before starting out with the C++ tutorials? > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie McBride > Sent: 1. juli 2010 21:22 > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Programming Preferences Was RE: I feel like giving up on > programming altogether! > > Oyvind, I'm not Tyler, but perhaps I'll do: > http://mindview.net/Books/DownloadSites/ > > On 7/1/10, Øyvind Lode <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Tyler: >> Where can I buy an accessible version of this book? >> I don't have access to Safari or Bookshare. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler >> Littlefield >> Sent: 1. juli 2010 18:50 >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: Re: Programming Preferences Was RE: I feel like giving up on >> programming altogether! >> >> Thinking in c++ by bruce eckel is an awesome book, skip the first chapter >> about object oritentation because just starting out, it will make no > sense, >> and come back to that later. >> Thanks, >> Tyler Littlefield >> http://tds-solutions.net >> Twitter: sorressean >> >> On Jul 1, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Ken Perry wrote: >> >>> actually there are a lot of them but they don't have to be blind > friendly. >>> IN fact if you can get a hold of the Coronado c and c++ tutorials they > are >>> both about 12 chapters and yes you will even learn pointers from them. I >>> think Jamal has a list of programming tutorials not sure though. I will >> see >>> if I can dig up the ones I suggest but I am currently at work. >>> >>> ken >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode >>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:11 AM >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: RE: Programming Preferences Was RE: I feel like giving up on >>> programming altogether! >>> >>> Joseph: >>> A wonderful thought I must say :) >>> I'd love to see a blind friendly tutorial in C/C++ that starts from the >>> beginning. >>> I don't mind using command lines and text editors. >>> In fact I prefer it. >>> But the tutorials I found for C# starts with designing a form in VS and >>> dropping some buttons etc on it... >>> So please make these tutorials a reality :) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee >>> Sent: 1. juli 2010 16:05 >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: RE: Programming Preferences Was RE: I feel like giving up on >>> programming altogether! >>> >>> Hi Ken and others, >>> Something to consider; How about if we can write quite a few blind >> friendly >>> tutorials on programming? That way there would be a specific resource for >>> beginners to learn how to program from blindness perspective. Just a >>> thought. >>> Cheers, >>> Joseph >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry >>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 6:56 AM >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: RE: Programming Preferences Was RE: I feel like giving up on >>> programming altogether! >>> >>> I could if you want to learn. I actually have taught it before and I had >>> the best teacher back in 1991 he worked for Word Perfect and I have never >>> forgot his classes. >>> >>> Ken >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James >>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 8:23 AM >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: RE: Programming Preferences Was RE: I feel like giving up on >>> programming altogether! >>> >>> Hi Ken, >>> If you can teach me how pointers and references work, I will consider you >> a >>> genius. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> Jim Homme, >>> Usability Services, >>> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme >>> Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility >>> here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stanzel, > Susan >> - >>> Kansas City, MO >>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 7:40 AM >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: RE: Programming Preferences Was RE: I feel like giving up on >>> programming altogether! >>> >>> Hi Listers, >>> >>> I have been a COBOL programmer since graduating from college in 1971. I >> got >>> a business degree with an emphasis in computer science after taking all > 31 >>> hours offered in those days. My second job has been working for the > United >>> States Department of Agriculture since 1974. Most of this time has been >>> using COBOL and a very easy language called Easytrieve which could make >>> quick searches of files and then reports. Off and on since 2001 I have >> been >>> trying to learn Java. Two years ago I went to a new place within >> Agriculture >>> and my boss has been very supportive. I had the luxury of coding in >> NotePad >>> which really taught me to put in all the brackets, braces, and > parenthesis >>> in the right place. Now I am trying to use Eclipse because that is the > ide >>> of choice. Saying all this is to only say that a basic education will >> never >>> hurt you. To get a programming position using Java in the United States >> will >>> need Java certification. In my experience you must make sure you have as >>> much education as possible with the highest grades and certification to >> get >>> a job. Being blind you must prove you are among the best and the > brightest >>> to find work. I can't imagine learning any of this as a hobby. (grin). >>> >>> Susie Stanzel >>> Programmer U.S.D.A. in Kansas City Missouri >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James >>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 6:26 AM >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: Programming Preferences Was RE: I feel like giving up on >>> programming altogether! >>> >>> Hi, >>> With Visual Basic, you can put the statement >>> option explicit >>> At the beginning of your program, and the compiler will force you to >> declare >>> variables. >>> >>> Also, if you get one of the fruit basket programs, you will see how some >> of >>> the code behind the IDE works. >>> >>> So your statement about the evils of VB and buttons and controls in an >> IDE >>> are not completely accurate, but, I agree with you that if you take away >>> that part of the learning curve, that it's easier to program when you are >>> concentrating on your code. >>> >>> But I can also see that some of what Rick says is valid. The IDE puts in >>> code for you that you'd have to keep a book open to find and learn to > use, >>> and it knows which files to hook together when you make the various >> projects >>> and it helps organize your code. That's very convenient, but it doesn't >>> teach you how some of the code works. >>> >>> Ken, I tried to go from Cobol to C++ back in the Borland C++ days, and I >>> didn't make it over the hump, so I admire you for learning that language. >> I >>> felt that no matter how hard I tried, I just wasn't ready to do pointers >> and >>> learn classes and garbage collection and whatever else that goes with it. >>> >>> I learned HTML by using FrontPage and NoteTab and letting them generate >> the >>> code, then seeing it, and realizing that it wasn't that difficult. After >>> that, I started doing it by hand. Because I learned to code HTML by hand, >> I >>> understand it, and I understand what a program that generates it is doing >> to >>> it. I have the best of both worlds, I can generate some to save time, and >> I >>> can write some by hand when I want it just right. >>> >>> So I say that whatever learning style works best for you is just fine, as >>> long as you don't talk yourself out of learning. >>> >>> I kind of started to sneak up on learning about objects by using >> LotusScript >>> to call methods and get properties of Lotus Notes objects, and I also > have >>> made several attempts at Python, but so far, I've talked myself out of >> going >>> the whole way for whatever reason. >>> >>> I think that we can do whatever we talk ourselves into doing. And I think >> we >>> can give up just because we tell ourselves that something is too hard. > But >> I >>> think we can trick ourselves into succeeding by just doing the first >> thing, >>> then the next, then the next, until before we realize it, we've done a > big >>> thing. >>> >>> So perhaps the approach would be to learn a language of choice with the >> use >>> of a text editor, while learning enough about the compiler to understand >>> what it's trying to tell you. Then, if you decide to switch over to an >> IDE, >>> you will understand more of what it's trying to do, and in the long run, >>> save yourself some hair pulling. >>> >>> As far as building forms goes, Jamal has made it a lot easier for all of >> us >>> to do that with Layout By Code. So those of us, hint to Jim, who say that >>> they want to learn a language and do some programming are quickly running >>> out of excuses. >>> >>> We have JAWS and Window-eyes scripts for Visual Studio, and we have a >> doable >>> environment with a plain old editor, so let's make a pact to just do it. >>> >>> I'm in. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> Jim Homme, >>> Usability Services, >>> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme >>> Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility >>> here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf of Alex Midence >>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:19 AM >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: Re: I feel like giving up on programming altogether! >>> >>> Hi, folks, >>> >>> This thread hit sorta close to home for me. As I have mentioned >>> Before, I, myself, am learning how to code and I decided to hop out of >>> the proverbial airplane because my language of choice is c++. I began >>> with visual studio simply because it was the first compiler and ide I >>> found that was easy to get to in google and that was free. I figured >>> it'd work best because it was made by the very people who made the >>> operating system. I then attempted to apply what I was learning from >>> various tutorials in this ide and came to a screeching halt because it >>> turns out that this ide doesn't produce "standard c++" unleass you >>> tweak it. All the tutorials I was following teach standard c++. I >>> then hauled off and got eclipse only to find I needed a compiler to go >>> with it. Went and got myself minGw and was still not able to compile >>> because I needed to mess with settings in the eclipse ide that I was >>> unfamiliar with to let it know where the compiler was and which one to >>> use. It wasn't until I just went in and actually wrote my code into a >>> no frills text editor (notepad, yes, notepad), saved my file as cpp >>> and then compiled in a command line that I got my program to work. I >>> learned a whole lot on the way and look forward to learning more. The >>> most fundamental lesson I learned was to just work with the raw code >>> and command line compiler first before jumping into these ide's. This >>> lets me focus on just the language, what it's doing, how it's doig it >>> and the act of compiling it. I don't have to worry about a >>> potentially inaccessible piece of software cutting into my learning of >>> the code. And, it appears I'll get a fuller understanding of what's >>> actually going on because I'm doing so much of it by hand. It's like >>> making yourself a batch of refried beans starting with the raw beans, >>> cooking them in a pot and then frying them afterwards. You did it all >>> from scratch instead of just grabbing a can of beans, opening it up >>> and heating it up on the stove before serving. Best of all, my >>> programs have so far worked like the tutorials said they would. So, >>> Jess, my advice to you is this: >>> >>> Get yourself a nice text editor like edSharp, text pad, ps pad or, >>> even notepad which you already have. Then, go get yourself a free >>> compiler in the language you choose. I chose c++ because it seems to >>> really force you to learn some nuts and bolts and doesn't have the >>> feel of some wussy gussied up toy language like visual basic with >>> pretty buttons and nice forms and icons and all that mess. It's also >>> the language that a huge number of applications are written in which >>> leads me to believe that, once I am done learning the basics, I'll be >>> able to really do something with it in exchange for all my bloodsweat >>> and tears. You choose whatever one you feel you want to though but, >>> just stick to the text editor and compiler method for your first >>> handful of programs and you'll be better off. Whatever you do, >>> though, don't give up over visual studio. >>> >>> Just my two cents as a fellow neophyte. Hang in there. >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> >>> On 6/30/10, Tyler Littlefield <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> It won't compile actually, you missed a comma. >>>> int main(int argc, char** argv) >>>> :) >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Tyler Littlefield >>>> http://tds-solutions.net >>>> Twitter: sorressean >>>> >>>> On Jun 30, 2010, at 9:40 PM, Ken Perry wrote: >>>> >>>>> Um how hard is this >>>>> >>>>> //myfile.c >>>>> #include <stdlib.h> >>>>> #include <stdio.h> >>>>> Int main (int argc char *arv) >>>>> { >>>>> Printf ("hello world"); >>>>> Return (0); >>>>> } >>>>> >>>>> Gcc myfile.c -o myfile >>>>> >>>>> There I just wrote a program that will compile in this email. I didn't >>>>> need >>>>> an ide I didn't need to drop buttons what I could focus on was the > code. >>>>> The problem is you are confusing learning to code with learning to >>> program >>>>> applications. Sure I don't want to start my first full blown >> application >>>>> writing it at the command line creating the graphical widgets etc. I > do >>>>> how >>>>> ever want to start with a simple step by step method. I could write a >>>>> simple program to take input in only a couple more lines of code and > see >>>>> the >>>>> results instantly. If I get errors the errors would pop up instantly >> you >>>>> wouldn't have to hunt for the window they are in. In c variables must >> be >>>>> at >>>>> the top of every code segment or {} section. In languages like VB and >>> c++ >>>>> and C# you can throw in variable declarations any where. Which is >> easier >>>>> to >>>>> teach someone put your variables here or hey throw them any where and >>> then >>>>> try and hunt down where the error is? >>>>> >>>>> I could go on but I have had this argument with professors and at least >>>>> held my own if not won from time to time. Its great if all you want to >>> do >>>>> is make a sited person happy that they made a simple application but if >>>>> you >>>>> really trying to teach them to code and to continue to learn to code >> then >>>>> you shouldn't lose them in the manusia before they understand what they >>>>> are >>>>> doing. >>>>> >>>>> Now I chalange you to teach me to write a visual basic application in >> the >>>>> next email you write to this list. Make it write a message to the >> screen >>>>> and do it from the IDE. See how many steps you have to explain. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ken >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie >>> McBride >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:10 PM >>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: Re: I feel like giving up on programming altogether! >>>>> >>>>> Well, Ken, as I see it, programming is divided into 2 major areas: >>>>> 1) Learning to think/problem-solve in the way the computer does; & then >>>>> 2) Learning whatever language u need that will fit the sort of >>>>> applications you're coding. >>>>> >>>>> It's a tough road to do both at the same time, & it's why I recommend >>>>> learning something easier at first, e.g., basic, Python, etc. Once >>>>> folks kind of get the concepts of how to use the compiler/interpreter >>>>> & instruct the computer to do what they want, then the next logical >>>>> progression is something like C. But I think learning C initially is >>>>> rather like what my dad did to me when I was 4--threw me into Lake >>>>> Michigan in 62 degree water over my head. Not fun. &, no, it did not >>>>> teach me to swim any better or any earlier, believe me. >>>>> >>>>> In retrospect, I rather like the way I approached things--I taught >>>>> myself Basic, which I used (& rather effectively, I might add) to sort >>>>> patient visits by date for tax purposes when I was in practice because >>>>> my crazy billing program didn't. Then I went on to learn C. It worked >>>>> well. That is not to say it will work well for others. Then I got some >>>>> formal programming training, & I believe what I'd taught myself >>>>> previously stood me in very good stead for learning that. >>>>> >>>>> Each person has to go his/her own way, I guess, but I think a gentler >>>>> intro than C is more beneficial for those who are self-taught. Just my >>>>> $.02--& what do I know? You're the 1 making a living at it, not mwa. >>>>> >>>>> On 6/30/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>> Actually I know someone who does professional programming who has his >>>>> degree >>>>>> in electronics and only took two coding classes which he could have >>>>>> taught >>>>>> when he took hem. College is not all it's cracked up to be but that > is >>>>>> another argument. >>>>>> >>>>>> I understand that Jess is using vs but that don't mean he or she has >> to. >>>>> In >>>>>> fact I ended up having to learn the Microsoft build system because the >>> VS >>>>>> ide wouldn't do the cross compile system I wanted it to so I had to >> get >>>>> out >>>>>> of VS and create the build xml file by hand which you can do. Heck > for >>>>> that >>>>>> matter you can code in VB by hand and actually use a compiler which >> gets >>>>> you >>>>>> out of the graphical IDE and lets you learn to code. In fact you can >>>>>> find >>>>> a >>>>>> few examples of this up on the fruit basket page. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ken >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:29 PM >>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> Subject: Re: I feel like giving up on programming altogether! >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Ken: Jes said he is working in the VS IDE already. I don't know if >> it >>>>> is >>>>>> for school, for work or just for fun. OK, let me set my point clear... >> A >>>>>> person needs to get a good University Education in Computer > Programming >>>>>> or >>>>> a >>>>>> >>>>>> related field to work in that arena. You can not become a Professional >>>>>> Programmer by playing with Visual Studio. You can, however, get help > on >>>>> list >>>>>> >>>>>> with Visual Studio and it is fine, if you have the patients, for >>> learning >>>>> to >>>>>> >>>>>> do some programming as a hobbyist. The things we never talk about to >>>>>> nubes >>>>>> is the process of learning to turn a step by step analysis of solving >>>>>> business, engineering or technical problems into computer code. That > is >>>>>> where a University Education comes in.. Once that skill is mastered >> then >>>>> it >>>>>> becomes a matter of learning a Programming Language and coding up a >>>>>> solution. Using a IDE is just a time saving step after you have done >> the >>>>>> former learning processes. When I see someone asking to learn to > become >>> a >>>>>> Computer Programmer by reading books and learning on their own I > assume >>>>> they >>>>>> >>>>>> are trying to do it as a hobby. I can't imagine anyone in their right >>>>>> mind >>>>>> would seriously consider trying to learn to become a Professional >>>>>> Computer >>>>>> Programmer and compete in the Job Market without a formal education - >> it >>>>>> just seems like so much nonsense. There might be one or two out there >>> who >>>>>> did it that way but 99+ percent have taken University Courses if they >>>>>> work >>>>>> in the field. Jes said he was working on a project in VS IDE, having >>>>>> problems and the process I outlined just touched bases with the things >>> he >>>>>> needed to ensure he did, and did correctly, to get his project up and >>>>>> running. The blurb about learning Programming ie... IPO, was just to >>>>>> start >>>>>> the brain working in thinking about inputs, outputs and Processing as > 3 >>>>>> things that need to be done, sigh, and even that is diferent in > today's >>>>> OOP >>>>>> world. >>>>>> Rick USA. >>>>>> Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:47 PM >>>>>> Subject: RE: I feel like giving up on programming altogether! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am sorry Rick but this is what is wrong with most coders coming out >>> of >>>>>>> college now days. They code by the drop button and create if >> statement >>>>>>> method. Have you actually looked at Job listings. A person that >>> learns >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> code the way you just laid out whether they be sited or blind will be >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> bottom of the barrel. Some jobs asks for Visual studio but a monkey >>> can >>>>>>> make a form and add an if statement to it to make a button do >>> something. >>>>>>> If >>>>>>> a person wants to be a coder they need to be make sure they are not >>>>>>> getting >>>>>>> themselves where they can be put out by some new AI programming >>> language >>>>>>> that can make the forms straight from a design chart created by a >>>>>>> secretary. That type of coding can be done by anyone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Colleges switched to GUI environments to make money because any sited >>>>>>> person >>>>>>> can create a half baked program with them. They did the same thing > to >>>>> the >>>>>>> electronics field with places like ITT and other tech schools that >>>>>>> taught >>>>>>> half baked electronics. Now I am not saying a good electronics > person >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> good coder can't come from the easy road what I am saying is it is >> much >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> unlikely that one will. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If on the other hand you start with a compiled language or an >> assembled >>>>>>> language you will understand what is going on. You shouldn't even >>> worry >>>>>>> about the GUI till you know how programs are logically put together >> and >>>>>>> why. >>>>>>> Otherwise we are going to need that 48 core computer and 12 TB of ram >>>>> just >>>>>>> to run the next text editor because we as coders are getting >> slipperier >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> messier because we don't understand what is going on under the > engine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway I have ranted enough but a person that is just getting started >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> be better to start in straight C and learn what memory was, how to >> deal >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> pointers, and understand what a register is because in the long run > if >>>>>>> you're really going to be a coder not a monkey dialog maker you will >>>>>>> need >>>>>>> that information and if you think you have become a coder by creating >>>>> some >>>>>>> monkey dialogs you will find yourself very screwed when you take that >>>>>>> job >>>>>>> you are not even close to ready for. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ken >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > RicksPlace >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:18 PM >>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> Subject: Re: I feel like giving up on programming altogether! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First, Programming in today's world is a world apart from where we > use >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> be. It is so much simpler in some ways and light years more complex > in >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ways. Programming in the Visual Studio IDE takes a large learning >>> curve. >>>>>>> You >>>>>>> >>>>>>> need to install and configure that puppy. Fail to do this and you >> will >>>>> be >>>>>>> hearing more junk and losing focus more than an intrevert at a rock >>>>>>> concert. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is a pain itself. Then, if you run JAWS you need to configure >>> JAWS, >>>>>>> again better get it right. Then after you get all that done you can >>> open >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IDE and look at a bunch of buttons and dialogs that have seemingly >>>>> nothing >>>>>>> to do with creating a computer program using computer statements. > And, >>>>> God >>>>>>> Forbid, You try and download and install Sql Server Express, well, > you >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> be headed for gray hair if you are one of the lucky few who get that >>>>>>> far. >>>>>>> You absolutely need to configure the IDE for accessibility, pick the >>>>>>> ssimpelest language, vb.net, to start with and create your first > Hello >>>>>>> World >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Form from the Form1 file. That is after you create a new project of >> the >>>>>>> Windows Forms type. Then you can drop a couple of buttons, a textbox >> or >>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the Form1 designer, set their properties and code the related VB Code >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> the Button Click Events and mess with the Text Properties of the >>>>>>> TextBoxes. >>>>>>> If you get that far you will be on your way to learning to Program in >>>>>>> Visual >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Studio. I would start with the Vb.net Express module since it does > not >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> all the other languages and is just a little cleaner to start with. >>> Once >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> >>>>>>> get the nack of making a form do things like Display Output to a > user, >>>>>>> Read >>>>>>> Inputs from a user and do some Processing on the input, you have the >>>>> basic >>>>>>> understanding of what computer programming is really about IPO, Input >> / >>>>>>> Process / Output. If you jump into C++, Visual Studio IDE and a DB > you >>>>> are >>>>>>> jumping out of an airplane and flapping as hard as you can but you > can >>>>>>> pretty much guess the final result. But, Give Up? Did We Give Up when >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor? No, when the going gets tough - the > tough >>>>> ask >>>>>>> questions on list and follow up with more work! >>>>>>> Rick USA >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Jes" <theeternalkid@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:59 PM >>>>>>> Subject: I feel like giving up on programming altogether! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All I get when using visual studio are nothing but errors! I just > want >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> >>>>>>> able to write a program and have it work! Just once! But no. All I > get >>>>> are >>>>>>> errors! So what's the use in even trying? 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