Re: Please place responses at the beginning of your email.Re: WhichLinux + screen reader to choose?
- From: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:57:37 -0400 (EDT)
Yes, that would help, though I have not found it a satisfactory
solution. Since this is a list primarily for blind programmers, it
seams reasonable to use a style that is optimal for us not sighted
people. They easily skim downward with their eyes to new content or
have different speakers shown in different colors, etc.
You are absolutely right, however, that this tends to be the norm on
sighted, technical lists. It is one reason I dropped off the Ruby list
-- it was quite inefficient for me and my top posting repeatedly got
criticized by others.
Personally, I think it is as efficient for everyone to summarize the
points to which one is responding as part of one's response, rather than
inserting quotes and going back and forth between the quotes and one's
responses to them. I find it a bit of a cop out that someone is not
willing to summarize their understanding of what the other person said,
but instead has to quote it verbatim. Email is supposed to be an an
informal, efficient medium, not one intended for academic or legal,
defenseive referncing of everything.
Jamal
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Jim Dunleavy
wrote:
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:06:39 +0100
> From: Jim Dunleavy <jim.dunleavy@xxxxxx>
> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Please place responses at the beginning of your email.Re:
> WhichLinux + screen reader to choose?
>
> Hi,
>
> On most technical mailing lists the standard is bottom or inline posting.
> Since most quoters use "greater than" as the quote character, I think
> a good solution could be worked out by scripting your mail client or your
> screen reader with a "don't read quoted text" option.
>
> --Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 2:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Please place responses at the beginning of your email.Re:
> WhichLinux + screen reader to choose?
>
>
> > I second this request. I realize that sighted participants in list
> > discussions often use in-line quoting, but despite my efforts to adapt
> > to it, I have found it highly inefficient for me as a screen reader
> > user. When I have been following a message thread, it is annoying to
> > have to hear repetitions of previous correspondence before getting to
> > new material -- enough so that I reach a point of deleting messages not
> > directed specifically to me if I discover the writer consistently
> > practices this style of email. I know the intent is not negative, but
> > the reality is that it presents significant usability problems for blind
> > people with today's email and screen reader technologies -- at least the
> > ones with which with I'm familiar.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jamal
> > On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, James Panes wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:06:45 -0400
> > > From: James Panes <jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Please place responses at the beginning of your email.Re: Which
> > > Linux + screen reader to choose?
> > >
> > > Hi Daniel,
> > >
> > > It is common courtesy on this list to place your responses at the
> beginning
> > > of your email. This way, people do not have to arrow down through what
> they
> > > have already read to get to your text. I emailed you about this
> off-list,
> > > but was rebuffed and ignored.
> > >
> > > Sorry, but as long as you persist in the practice of placing your
> responses
> > > at the bottom of your email, I am just going to delete them.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jim
> > > jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx
> > > jimpanes@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > "Everything is easy when you know how."
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Daniel Dalton" <d.dalton@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 2:22 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Which Linux + screen reader to choose?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, inthaneelf wrote:
> > >
> > > > obviously many don't think espeak sounds as good as eloquence, and are
> > > > looking for something that does, eh?
> > >
> > > I dunno what they are talking about, sounds great here...
> > >
> > > Try the link in my other post and see if it works.
> > > Could be broken...
> > >
> > > --
> > > Daniel Dalton
> > >
> > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
> > > <d.dalton@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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