Re: PDF generated by LaTeX; Vinux Solution

  • From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:28:28 -0600

Hi, Don,

Did you get the version 32 that Bill uploaded into the repositories?
If you don't watch it, you're stuck with like version 29 or something.
 32 has all sorts of stuff to make things like facebook and myspace
accessible, I've heard.  There were two steps I forgot to include in
my previous e-mail:

1.  When emacspeak comes up, c-n a few times till you start hearing
the links like Read Tutorial and Read the emacs manual.  Go through
the tutorial first.  Just hit enter when you hear the lower voiced
link name.
2.  When you are done with the tutorial, hit c-h then c-e.  Puts you
into the mother of all keyboard shortcut lists.  Practically every key
on your keyboard, both upper case and lower case has been assigned a
role in conjunction with either control or alt.  The thing you have to
watch out for is that the hotkey list is alphabetized.  It is
organized by keystroke and not by function.  It is not organized into
a by purpose grouping.  So, to make it methodical, open yourself up a
gedit file in gnome or use nanno in another console and make yourself
a blank text file with headings like the ones I broke it into:

Speech Customization:
From position screen reading (read from top to cursor, cursor to end
of line, and all that while you stay put in the document)
Screen queries: (line number, messages, ETC.)

... You get the picture.

Then, you fill them in as you c-n your way down the hotkey page.
Don't even try to learn them till you have a nice, organized document
to study or you will just say forget about it and go back to gnome.
It's what I'd done up till about last week.  I seriously think that
this lack of structured navigation organization is what is proving
such a hurdle to newcomers.  When I've got my document all nice and
neat, I'm going to post to the vinux group and here too, if anyone is
interested, and hopefully, people can approach it the way they can
when learning a new screen reader in windows where you get a hotkey
summary to follow.

Alex M

On 11/8/10, Don Marang <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Thanks for the emacs Quick Start.  I have installed voxin / emacs but was
> overwhelmed by emacs at first.  I will save this and learn as soon as
> possible.
> Don Marang
> There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real
> substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working
> on things that matter.
> Dean Kamen
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:00 AM
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: PDF generated by LaTeX; Vinux Solution
>> Hi, there,
>> A note on vinux from a recent convert:
>> It is simply amazing!  If you have not tried it out yet, do yourself a
>> favor.  It takes a bit of tinkering to get it to where you have it
>> like you want it but it is well worth it.  I have Gnome with orca
>> running in an x-windows session with Emacspeak running in one of the
>> virtual consoles and another console with just a prompt.  I don't much
>> care for the gnome terminal.  All of this, mind, on a virtual machine
>> with vmware so I can also have windows.  So, I've basically got four
>> screen readers, Jaws, orca, speakup and emacspeak which is technically
>> not a screen reader but a self-voicing interface, all running at the
>> same time in semiperfect harmony.  Best part about having cake is when
>> you get to eat it too.  It does use espeak but you don't have to stay
>> with it.  You can use Voxin which, I understand, is similar to if not
>> identical to eloquence but you have to install that yourself.  The
>> espeak that vinux comes with can be suped up with the sudo apt-get
>> install sonic command and then upgrading espeak with sudo apt-get
>> install espeak. You will  then have to type restorespeech to recompile
>> since the upgrade will break it at first.  You may have to reboot but
>> ... once you do ... espeak works great at higher speeds.
>> On the topic of LaTx, you will probably find that the best solution
>> for any problem you are having with it is going to involve emacspeak.
>> The author goes into considerable detail on how well  LaTx works with
>> Emacspeak.  He did considerable research into using LaTx with speech
>> out put only in an intelligible manner and integrated it into
>> Emacspeak.  It's just quite a learning curve to get going.  Easiest
>> headstart I can give anyone based on my own muddles is below.  Note,
>> layed this out to work best for reading in braille and these
>> instructions assume you have vinux running already.
>> Installation:
>> 1. Add the Vinux test repositories to synaptic package manager so you
>> get emacspeak 32 that works with espeak out of the box and reload.
>> 2.  Close synaptic and go to a terminal using control+alt+f1.
>> 3. From here, put all this on the same line.  Note the semicolon:
>>     Sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install emacspeak
>> 4.  Tell it you want espeak as the synth and none as the port.
>> 5.  Tell it none again at the port prompt.
>> 6.  Go have some lunch while it compiles.  When you come back, you
>> will have a prompt again.
>> 7.  Hit the printscreen button to kill speak-up.  Don't worry, if you
>> want it back, just hit print screen again and it'll come back to life.
>> 8.  Type emacspeak and you should hear it come up talking.
>> Now, here's how to move around in it.  Keep in mind, linux is case
>> sensitive.
>> Where c = control and m = alt:
>> Navigation:
>> Screen prev & next = m-v and c-v respectively
>> Line prev and next = c-p and c-n respectively
>> Word prev and next = m-b and m-f respectively
>> Char prev and next = c-b and c-f respectively
>> Speech customization: (note c-e is the emacspeak prefix so, do a c-e
>> before you do anything that messes with speech just like I illustrate
>> below.  Only hold down c or m when I indicate it otherwise, hit the
>> subsequent keys independently.)
>> Speech rate = c-e followed by d and then r, you then enter a numeric
>> rate of words per minute like 200 or mine which is 375
>> Punctuation adjustment is c-e and then d and p afterwhich you type
>> none, some, most or all
>> Stop speech is c-e and then s
>> Audible icons which are just like Jaws sounds can be turned on by
>> first hitting c-e and then c-a
>> That should get you going at least.  You need to read all the manuals
>> you can.  Links are indicated by a lower voice.  You may not have time
>> to slog your way through emacspeak for your current project but if you
>> do a lot with LaTx, you may want to invest some time in it.  All the
>> people who use it rave and rant about how it is the single most
>> productive environment for a blind person to use for coding of any
>> kind.  I'm making it a mission in life to learn it right now as I have
>> time and am finding it simply amazing.  The amount of accessible stuff
>> out there is simply unbelievable.
>> Sorry about the ramble.  Hope it helps someone.
>> Alex M
>> On 11/8/10, black ares <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> I am using Latex-access
>>> to make some readings both in braille and spoken.
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>>> From: "QuentinC" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 6:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: PDF generated by LaTeX; Vinux Solution
>>>>> how it works with math formulas?
>>>> I haven't tried yet, the book I converted was a programming book
>>>> But when I have time, I'll of course try.
>>>> P.S. I have installed the windows version, not the linux one
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