Well that is great news! The Vinux Wicky pages could be very helpful if we can get enough information from users at every level of expertise. Looking forward to your eventual contributions!
Don MarangThere is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter.
Dean Kamen -------------------------------------------------- From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:21 PM To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: PDF generated by LaTeX; Vinux Solution
Interesting. You're right, it's not distracting. I think the reason a list like this isn't available is that they appear to have relied on emacs' self-documenting features to creat a lot of the keystroke lists. I don't think any technical writers were used or available. It just so happens, I'm a trainer and I write procedures and how-tos for a living among other things. Organizing information for learners is meat and drink to me. So, if it's not available out there yet, by the time I'm done with it, it will be. Probably won't be pleased with a final draft till mid december though. I've got finals coming up and one of the classes I'm taking is seriously labor intensive. It's been repeating the process of percussively planting its foot firmly and painfully on my posterior for months now. Alex M On 11/8/10, Don Marang <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Yes, I have the emacs 32 version. Bill posted an emacs installer that alsoconfigured voxin at the same time.Sounds like a very useful list! I am surprised it is not already available on the web somewhere. Perhaps when it is complete, it should be posted to the Vinux wicky? By the way, the wicky is one place I use pandoc to write large additions to the wicky in markdown in Ed Sharp then convert it to htmland paste it to the wicky page. A few examples of markdown are provided below. They are not distracting when reading as plain text in a editor the way html is. Format the line as a level 4 heading: #### Navigation Key Bindings A link: [This link takes you to the wonders of Accessible Open Software](http://vinux.org.uk) Put the key strokes in bold: mother of all keyboard shortcut lists #c-h then c-e# Don MarangThere is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am workingon things that matter. Dean Kamen -------------------------------------------------- From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 12:28 PM To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: PDF generated by LaTeX; Vinux SolutionHi, Don, Did you get the version 32 that Bill uploaded into the repositories? If you don't watch it, you're stuck with like version 29 or something. 32 has all sorts of stuff to make things like facebook and myspace accessible, I've heard. There were two steps I forgot to include in my previous e-mail: 1. When emacspeak comes up, c-n a few times till you start hearing the links like Read Tutorial and Read the emacs manual. Go through the tutorial first. Just hit enter when you hear the lower voiced link name. 2. When you are done with the tutorial, hit c-h then c-e. Puts you into the mother of all keyboard shortcut lists. Practically every key on your keyboard, both upper case and lower case has been assigned a role in conjunction with either control or alt. The thing you have to watch out for is that the hotkey list is alphabetized. It is organized by keystroke and not by function. It is not organized into a by purpose grouping. So, to make it methodical, open yourself up a gedit file in gnome or use nanno in another console and make yourself a blank text file with headings like the ones I broke it into: Navigation: Speech Customization: From position screen reading (read from top to cursor, cursor to end of line, and all that while you stay put in the document) Screen queries: (line number, messages, ETC.) ... You get the picture. Then, you fill them in as you c-n your way down the hotkey page. Don't even try to learn them till you have a nice, organized document to study or you will just say forget about it and go back to gnome. It's what I'd done up till about last week. I seriously think that this lack of structured navigation organization is what is proving such a hurdle to newcomers. When I've got my document all nice and neat, I'm going to post to the vinux group and here too, if anyone is interested, and hopefully, people can approach it the way they can when learning a new screen reader in windows where you get a hotkey summary to follow. Thanks. Alex M On 11/8/10, Don Marang <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Thanks for the emacs Quick Start. I have installed voxin / emacs but wasoverwhelmed by emacs at first. I will save this and learn as soon as possible. Don Marang There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. Dean Kamen -------------------------------------------------- From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:00 AM To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: PDF generated by LaTeX; Vinux SolutionHi, there, A note on vinux from a recent convert: It is simply amazing! If you have not tried it out yet, do yourself a favor. It takes a bit of tinkering to get it to where you have it like you want it but it is well worth it. I have Gnome with orca running in an x-windows session with Emacspeak running in one of the virtual consoles and another console with just a prompt. I don't much care for the gnome terminal. All of this, mind, on a virtual machine with vmware so I can also have windows. So, I've basically got four screen readers, Jaws, orca, speakup and emacspeak which is technically not a screen reader but a self-voicing interface, all running at the same time in semiperfect harmony. Best part about having cake is when you get to eat it too. It does use espeak but you don't have to stay with it. You can use Voxin which, I understand, is similar to if not identical to eloquence but you have to install that yourself. The espeak that vinux comes with can be suped up with the sudo apt-get install sonic command and then upgrading espeak with sudo apt-get install espeak. You will then have to type restorespeech to recompile since the upgrade will break it at first. You may have to reboot but ... once you do ... espeak works great at higher speeds. On the topic of LaTx, you will probably find that the best solution for any problem you are having with it is going to involve emacspeak. The author goes into considerable detail on how well LaTx works with Emacspeak. He did considerable research into using LaTx with speech out put only in an intelligible manner and integrated it into Emacspeak. It's just quite a learning curve to get going. Easiest headstart I can give anyone based on my own muddles is below. Note, layed this out to work best for reading in braille and these instructions assume you have vinux running already. Installation: 1. Add the Vinux test repositories to synaptic package manager so you get emacspeak 32 that works with espeak out of the box and reload. 2. Close synaptic and go to a terminal using control+alt+f1. 3. From here, put all this on the same line. Note the semicolon: Sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install emacspeak 4. Tell it you want espeak as the synth and none as the port. 5. Tell it none again at the port prompt. 6. Go have some lunch while it compiles. When you come back, you will have a prompt again. 7. Hit the printscreen button to kill speak-up. Don't worry, if you want it back, just hit print screen again and it'll come back to life. 8. Type emacspeak and you should hear it come up talking. Now, here's how to move around in it. Keep in mind, linux is case sensitive. Where c = control and m = alt: Navigation: Screen prev & next = m-v and c-v respectively Line prev and next = c-p and c-n respectively Word prev and next = m-b and m-f respectively Char prev and next = c-b and c-f respectively Speech customization: (note c-e is the emacspeak prefix so, do a c-e before you do anything that messes with speech just like I illustrate below. Only hold down c or m when I indicate it otherwise, hit the subsequent keys independently.) Speech rate = c-e followed by d and then r, you then enter a numeric rate of words per minute like 200 or mine which is 375 Punctuation adjustment is c-e and then d and p afterwhich you type none, some, most or all Stop speech is c-e and then s Audible icons which are just like Jaws sounds can be turned on by first hitting c-e and then c-a That should get you going at least. You need to read all the manuals you can. Links are indicated by a lower voice. You may not have time to slog your way through emacspeak for your current project but if you do a lot with LaTx, you may want to invest some time in it. All the people who use it rave and rant about how it is the single most productive environment for a blind person to use for coding of any kind. I'm making it a mission in life to learn it right now as I have time and am finding it simply amazing. The amount of accessible stuff out there is simply unbelievable. Sorry about the ramble. Hope it helps someone. Alex M On 11/8/10, black ares <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I am using Latex-access to make some readings both in braille and spoken. ----- Original Message ----- From: "QuentinC" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 6:49 AM Subject: Re: PDF generated by LaTeX; Vinux Solutionhow it works with math formulas?I haven't tried yet, the book I converted was a programming book But when I have time, I'll of course try. P.S. 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