RE: On databases again - front ends
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:43:45 -0700
Yes the problem is they have a database in access to do one task then
another database in access to do something else. Then they have two or
three things that they do in Excel, then they have 2 things they write notes
on in word because when it was set up they didn't know there was access. So
what we have is a screen full of crap that could be made into one simpler
application like the two others. It's a big mess is what it is.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:03 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: On databases again - front ends
Is a database currently being used (not Excel)?
Jamal
On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Ken
Perry wrote:
> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:24:55 -0700
> From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: On databases again - front ends
>
>
>
> Yes I agree they can learn to run them in the Access database but that
> is my point exactly. I can't make the reports or the forms in access
> the way I want because its not accessible well it might be but I
> haven't had a chance yet to get into the scripts and see if they can be
made more accessible.
>
> Yes some training is done but the simpler it is the better. Meaning
> if I can make it as easy as a menu driven ATM then there won't be any
mistakes.
> You would be suppressed the error checking that is in our current
> database so that people don't make mistakes.
>
> I will be trying out your tool though and if it helps it does but it
> doesn't seem to do what I need at first glance. I will know more
> later and will let you know what I think.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal
> Mazrui
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:44 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: On databases again - front ends
>
> Thanks for explaining and for your feedback on DbDialog. Certainly,
> it does not have nearly the form and report customization capability as MS
Access.
> Such customization is limited enough that I did not use the term
> custom form or custom report in the documentation. However, let me
> make sure you're aware what customizations are possible.
>
> The buttons and field layout are standard, but you can choose what
> fields of a table are available for input or display on the status
> line, and can choose the label of each field. Only columnar output is
> available, but you can choose which fields, their sequence, and the sort
order of the records.
> You can filter what records are included in various ways. Output may
> be saved to a file or the clipboard.
>
> I would think that some training would be important before letting
> volunteers enter new client records, parking permits, etc.
>
> Add a new client = Pick the client table and choose the Add button
>
> Issue a parking permit = Pick the permits table and choose the Add
> button
>
> Log a donation = Pick the gifts table and choose the Add button
>
> Since the database can be in .mdb format, more sophisticated reports
> can be created with Access, itself. Usually, more advanced users
> would run such reports, and they can learn to execute a report from a
> list of predefined ones in an Access database.
>
> Searching is easy -- either the Jump or Filter commands to find
> record(s) of interest.
>
> Jamal
> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Ken Perry wrote:
>
> > Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 06:10:14 -0700
> > From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: On databases again - front ends
> >
> >
> >
> > Ah you see there is the problem they have to learn it. A database
> > application usually has a menu of things people can do for example
> > the Disability resource Centre here in Victoria has a current
> > database that comes up with a single menu and says something like.
> >
> > Add New Client
> > Issue Parking pass
> > Search Parking passes
> > Take donation
> >
> >
> > There are a bit more but that is the choices that the person gets
> > there is not a lot of clutter when the person picks what they want
> > forms are displayed and there are ok and cancel buttons that lead
> > the user through a wizard to do each task. It has to be this simple
> > because the DRC uses mostly Volunteers to do the front desk work so
> > they can not afford to have to train people which is where the
> > problem is coming in there are a few things right now that they have
> > been having to teach people to use Excel because when ever they add
> > a contract they work on lately they just tell the front desk to open
> > a spread sheet and enter the data which gets to be a mess. They
> > want all the system that they currently open 4 programs for all in
> > one database. Now this should be a simple process but because of
> > the accessibility of Access and the crappie way some of the web
> > interfaces
> looks for a new user it is not something I can do quick enough to do
> pro bono.
> > Now if your database manager can create easy user interfaces with a
> > simple menu at the front and wizards I can walk them through then
> > you have exactly what I am looking for but I have installed it and
> > read the documentation and not found what I wanted.
> >
> > Also I found that I had trouble just closing the interface there was
> > no way to just alt-f4 was I missing something?
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal
> > Mazrui
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:02 AM
> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: On databases again - front ends
> >
> > Can you elaborate on what you mean by an interface for someone else?
> > To me, an advantage of a general-purpose database manager is that
> > the same interface is presented regardless of the database table
> > being used. Once a user learns the commands for manipulating data,
> > they are transferrable to any table that one defines for DBDialog,
> > which then become available on a pick list of possible tables to work
with.
> >
> > Jamal
> > On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Ken
> > Perry wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 20:22:20 -0700
> > > From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: RE: On databases again - front ends
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The database manager which I do have installed seems to only let
> > > you create and modify the database. It does not make it so you
> > > can make applications for users. The tool will do for what I want
> > > to do for fun here at the house but it will not work for the
> > > application I want to develop for my wife or work. It still will
> > > be a good tool in developing the database but that is not what I
> > > am having trouble with the trouble comes in in creating the
> > > interface for other than my
> self.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal
> > > Mazrui
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:35 PM
> > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: On databases again - front ends
> > >
> > > A couple years ago, I developed a speech friendly database manager
> > > called DbDialog. It is open source in the AutoIt language, and
> > > uses Microsoft Access databases by default -- though almost any
> > > with an ADO API
> > will work.
> > >
> > > http://EmpowermentZone.com/ddsetup.exe
> > >
> > > FYI -- A page with all my open source application is at
> > > http://testsite.blind-planet.com/node/17
> > >
> > > and all my fruit basket programs are at
> > > http://testsite.blind-planet.com/node/28
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jamal
> > >
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