Re: Next steps on Open Komodo
- From: james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:19:45 -0400
Try harder. Don't waste energy complaining.
James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810
"Never doubt that a thoughtful group of committed citizens can change the
world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead
"Octavian
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Yes I could do it, and I also offered help for some programs I was
interested in, but I haven't found programmers for open source programs
that
were willing to help with coding, but a lot of "if you don't like it, do it
yourself" answers.
Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Next steps on Open Komodo
> Hi,
> Why not do it for other people? What's wrong with that? Someone might do
> something for you in return.
>
> Jim
>
> James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810
>
> "Never doubt that a thoughtful group of committed citizens can change the
> world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead
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>
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> "Octavian
> Rasnita"
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> 11/02/2007 02:38
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> Please respond to
> programmingblind@
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> Well, this is true, but those people are also true.
> If I don't know C to be able to improve a certain program, it doesn't
> matter that I can help with translations of the interface, or
> documentation,
> because it won't help me.
>
> And the programmers that create the open source programs use to say that
> if
>
> you don't like it, make your own improvements.
>
> Octavian
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim" <jhomme1028@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:22 AM
> Subject: Re: Next steps on Open Komodo
>
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>> Hi,
>> One of the things a lot of people can't see is how they can contribute.
>> They get the impression that the only people who are able to contribute
>> are the very technical people.
>>
>> Jim
>> __________
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> ones.
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: Next steps on Open Komodo
>>
>>
>>> 100 percent agreed. Sorry if I came across wrong to you. I feel that
>>> the amount of talent on this list alone could help the blind community
> in
>>> many ways if many understood what open source software was and how it
> can
>>> benefit the blind community as a whole. I recently started a little
> open
>>> source email list of my own but it kind of fell by the way side because
> I
>>> found that so many of the blind did not understand what open source
>>> software was. Many of them when they downloaded something like
Audasity,
>
>>> expected it to be Adobe Audition or Sonar right out of the gate. I am
>>> assuming it is because the concept that the source code is available to
>>> download, modify and make it work for them is so new and foreign to
what
>
>>> they have been shown. I was still able to see when Netscape made their
>>> browser open source and became Mozilla. I also must admit was not a
big
>
>>> user of the Netscape browser, but have always followed the open source
>>> movement with interest. Now when I see companies like FS charging the
>>> blind community the prices they do for their software. Be it better
>>> software or not I am going to try my best to promote an alternative
they
>
>>> can afford or even get for free. Frankly a majority of screen reader
>>> users are like many of the sighted users. What they do with their
>>> computer is browse the web, check email and burn an occasional CD. With
>>> the open source movement however, a screen reader may only do those now
>>> but later has the potential to do things that products like Jaws can
> only
>>> dream of. Yes, I am talking about NVDA and the Jaws supporters will be
>>> up in arms about it all. But the Jaws people need to realize that
their
>
>>> software is too expensive to the masses. Even to people that can
afford
>
>>> it. To the people that complain that open source software is crap, turn
>>> your computer off now because the software that is allowing you to
>>> receive this email, and serves the web to you is also an open source
>>> project. Some other bits of software that people may not even realize
is
>
>>> open source is Python, php, My SQL, and even Perl. The list goes on,
> but
>>> the choice is up to the blind programmers in what they take away from
>>> what I have said.
>>> JohnPG search for all of your Jaws scripts at
>>> http://www.blindcrawler.com/
>>> Also be sure to check out Blind Crawler's Legend of the Green Dragon
>>> server at http://www.blindcrawler.com/lotg/
>>> There will be more to come from Blind Crawler very soon.
>>> Administrator: John Greer
>>> Blind Crawler.com
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Aaron Leventhal" <aaronlev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 6:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Next steps on Open Komodo
>>>
>>>
>>>>I agree that in general, that many large companies can do more.
>>>>
>>>> But I also believe that the community itself can do more for itself.
>>>> Wouldn't it be great to see more organization and activity from the
>>>> community itself? Look at what's possible on the net today, with
> efforts
>>>> like Wikipedia, Linux and Mozilla. I say lead by example, and take
your
>
>>>> fate into your own hands. Raise the bar for the big companies and show
>>>> them what accessibility is. The knowledge is distributed but the
action
>
>>>> can be united.
>>>>
>>>> - Aaron
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