Stefik,
Thanks for the information. This sounds very good, as I want to try
to learn Python this spring and summer and have very very low vision
remaining in the periphery of one eye and need TTS assistance.
Best regards,
Grandpa Dave in California
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*From:* Andreas Stefik <mailto:stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
*To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:06 AM
*Subject:* Re: Netbeans and NVDA.
Dave,
Even if it does (and I have no idea), it wouldn't matter in our
case. Sappy overrides text to speech for menus in NetBeans and
forces them to read correctly, regardless of whether you are using
JAWS or no screen reader at all (for low vision users that don't
want to bother buying a screen reader, but enjoy having
Text-to-speech). We do this via a complex combination of listener
architectures, both in the NetBeans platform, through custom Dlls,
and through some vanilla Java.
So, on windows it least, we've tested it carefully and it appears
to work. On Mac, however, it doesn't work yet for the system menu
(the top level one), because of bugs in Apple Voice Over, which
we've confirmed with Apple directly. Sun is helping us with a
workaround, but it's very complex and won't make it in time for
our initial Mac OS X release.
In short, this first release will make sure the absolutely
critical features work, like text editors, menus, and context
menus. Some features are extremely hard to get right, though,
because of the way the NetBeans platform architecture works (e.g.,
code completion and certain kinds of editor actions), and will
ultimately require us to some more extensive NetBeans hacking.
What's nice though is that, hopefully, this release should allow
Sappy users to write their own NetBeans hacks in Sappy, in order
to develop new and better versions of Sappy/NetBeans for the blind.
Stefik
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Dave Mack <dcmack2@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:dcmack2@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
NVDA uses object nabigation and does not yet employ video
hooks and cannot read so-called iconized menus except possibly
if they include help balloons. Does NetBeans use iconized menus?
Grandpa Dave in California - NVDA User
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Andreas Stefik <mailto:stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
*To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2010 5:40 AM
*Subject:* Re: Netbeans and NVDA.
Fillipo,
I should say though, that our tool is compatible with JAWS
and should work even if no screen reader is installed.
We'll be releasing on March 10th.
Stefik
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Andreas Stefik
<stefika@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stefika@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Filippo,
We are "almost" done with a patch for NetBeans to make
it more accessible. Sadly, we haven't tested it with
NVDA. Do you know if NVDA just runs through windows SAPI?
We'll have to download nvda to give it a shot.
Stefik
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Filippo Tenaglia
<filippo80@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:filippo80@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi Chris,
thank you for your reply, I tried eclipse but I
found that the editors
wasn't accessible!
I should create all pages with the wizards and
modify them with an
external editor!
Do you know which version is mor accessible? Or I
should install some plug-ins?
Filippo.
2010/2/24, Chris Hallsworth
<christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>:
> I think Eclipse would be better since it's open
source and they have a
> Win32 version that is accessible. I think the
URL is www.eclipse.org <http://www.eclipse.org>.
>
>
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> On 24/02/2010 11:48, Filippo Tenaglia wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I'm newbie of the list and not very expert on
JAVA, I should change my
>> previous JAVA's IDE (Oracle Jdeveloper 10.1.2)
because in my company
>> would use more opensource's tecnologies so I'm
trying to use netbeans
>> 6.7.1.
>> Someone can suggest me some guides or a web
site where I could find
>> some help about the ide's use with a screen reader?
>> Or, if for you netbeans is'nt the best choice,
can you suggest me a
>> better java's ide opensource?
>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>
>> P.S.: Sorry for my not perfect english.
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