G.U.I. instructions make up all of the steps for doing any of the first code examples in vbdotnet.doc file on empowermentzone.com. I brailled most of the steps for one of these and the rest of it is going on a second full sized page of braille. Admittedly I used computer braille since no other standard was ever described for compressing this stuff and am thinking I'm going to have to start collecting common phrases and frequencies and start constructing some nonambiguous abbreviations in order to decrease the real estate consumed. I'm not so much concerned about the small projects, it's when those get far larger just using computer braille will become unwieldy. Beginning vb.net had the hello user project in it and I got down to just before putting the label controls on the form and didn't get that on the first sheet of braille paper. If I make anything of this work once it gets going I'll update the list and probably put that material up on a website so anyone else can download and examine and/or use if they like it. Some of Grade 3 braille word abbreviations can be used without going into too many of the word forms like o=on. I just didn't want to reinvent the wheel. Rot47: <;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=> -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:04 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Microsoft braille question Can you elaborate on what you mean by GUI instructions? It is definately possible to completely code in a .NET language without the Visual Studio IDE. It does provide some advantages such as IntelliSense, but also comes with some disadvantages. I guess each programmer has to weigh the pros and cons according to their needs and style. Personally, I use a text editor and the layout containers, which do automatic positioning and sizing of controls according to general guidelines. This also makes a GUI more portable to other platforms than code that is pixel specific. Jamal On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 wrote: > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:11:03 -0400 > From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26" > <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx> > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Microsoft braille question > > Has anybody to your knowledge done work on a way to write Microsoft > G.U.I. technical instructions on braille paper and not using quite so > much paper? A shorthand or something similar like speed writing? I'm > beginning to think avoiding the i.d.e. interfaces with visual studio > ultimately will be impossible I would love to be dead wrong on this > point since it would possibly mean we could write our own book on how > to do visual studio with a basic text editor and go at the learning > from that angle. Anybody who ever configured pine on a unix box and > has also worked with the I.D.E. interfaces of visual studio would > probably say that the I.d.E.'s are disorganized compared to pine's > configuration menu. I'm finding the inherits concept highly appealing > and am sure I'll find it more so later on. > > > Rot47: <;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=> > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind