Re: MAGic and COM
- From: Andreas Stefik <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 15:54:02 -0600
Interesting, our libraries work very similar to accessible_output (it
appears), and for that matter, SayTools, as well, although we all seem
to support slightly different systems (our tools allow call-downs from
Java and our language, Hop).
I assume this is what you are referring to:
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/accessible_output/0.5.5
What License are you under?
And yaa, I will have to look into screen magnifiers as well.
Stefik
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Haden Pike <haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> That could work. We really need to rewrite at least the core of
> accessible_output in C or C++, so we can write bindings for other
> languages...
>
> I don't know much about magnification myself. That's something I'd have to
> research prior to writing this.
> Haden
>
> On 2/23/2011 3:58 PM, Nathaniel Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This might not be very useful, but if there is such an API for magic,
>> would
>> it make things easier to include it in a package like accessible_output?
>> I
>> suppose then it would be limited to python, but it would be simple to use
>> the magnification package, magnifier.magnify()? Of course I am writing
>> this
>> knowing not much at all about magnification, just throwing the suggestion
>> out there.
>>
>> Nathaniel
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-
>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Haden Pike
>>> Sent: Thursday, 24 February 2011 7:09 AM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: MAGic and COM
>>>
>>> Maybe someone could write a cross-platform wrapper for the different
>>> magnifiers. Magtools, anyone?
>>>
>>> I'd do it myself, but it would have to wait until July at the
>>> earliest...
>>> Haden
>>>
>>> On 2/23/2011 1:59 PM, Andreas Stefik wrote:
>>>>
>>>> James,
>>>>
>>>> For example, really quick, what we would REALLY like to do is have a
>>>> cross-platform bolding, highlighting, and magnification
>>>
>>> infrastructure
>>>>
>>>> built into Sodbeans, so that users can magnify certain parts of the
>>>> tool and that the magnification flexibly adjusts to whatever the user
>>>> is doing (e.g., it follows you as you type, it focses when you hit a
>>>> menu). So far as we can tell, so far, however, it seems like we'll
>>>> need some kind of complicated wrapper API in C on each system, like
>>>> how we connect to screen readers right now (which works, but is
>>>> complicated).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, maybe that puts our actual goal into context. Who knows,
>>>
>>> maybe
>>>>
>>>> such an API already exists ...
>>>>
>>>> Stefik
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Andreas Stefik<stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure. We definitely know about, and have looked at SayTools.
>>>
>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>> forget, but I think it connects to JAWS, but not MAGic. I'll have to
>>>>> ask download and look again to make sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anything, what we really want to do is make magnification
>>>>> easier/better in Sodbeans, as we're finding that Sodbeans is working
>>>>> great for the kids that are non-sighted, but there are a number of
>>>>> ways that we think we need to improve for the visually impaired
>>>>> community.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another possible route we could take is to bypass MAGic altogether
>>>
>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> roll our own magnification system, although I've heard that this is
>>>>> difficult. Hmm ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Stefik
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Homme,
>>>
>>> James<james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Stefik,
>>>>>> I wish that wasn't the case. Do you think that maybe SayTools or
>>>
>>> the other thing whose name I forget that Jamal created would help you
>>> at all?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas
>>> Stefik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:08 AM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: MAGic and COM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind of sort of, and I appreciate it. This is basically what we do
>>>
>>> now
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to connect to JAWS, but because there is basically no
>>>
>>> documentation, I
>>>>>>
>>>>>> was hoping folks knew of a library out there that we could just
>>>>>> "connect" to, instead of figuring it all out again for this
>>>
>>> particular
>>>>>>
>>>>>> set of DLLs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like we'll just have to slog through it, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stefik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Homme,
>>>
>>> James<james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Stefik,
>>>>>>> This is just a guess. I'm thinking that Magic has a dll like JAWS
>>>
>>> does. It may even use a copy of that dll to talk. Are you also talking
>>> about enlargement? I'm also thinking that you can get a demo of Magic
>>> to find out what's in it. I know that it uses the same scripting
>>> language JAWS does. That language can do some stuff like get at other
>>> applications like IE, Word, Excel, and so on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does any of this rambling help?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Homme,
>>>>>>> Usability Services,
>>>>>>> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
>>>>>>> Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss
>>>
>>> accessibility here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility
>>> advice
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas
>>> Stefik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:56 PM
>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: MAGic and COM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone have any experience connecting to Freedom scientific's
>>>
>>> MAGic,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> either through Java or COM? Any existing libraries out there to
>>>
>>> make
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this easy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stefik
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