Just installed jaws13 beta to try it out, and aside from seeming to need to reinstall video card drivers from scratch, and then reinstall jaws12 to sort out an issue with mirror display drivers, another new difference is that there doesn't seem to be a configNames.ini file in the jaws settings folder to then associate the msenv2005 scripts with msenv as such, but when I then just copied the files over from jaws12 personal settings folder and then renamed them to just msenv.*, ran VS.Net 2008, and used jaws key + number row 0 to invoke jaws script editor, and recompiled them, it still works fine for me now. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'