Re: Java versus Python

  • From: Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:40:45 -0400

I like it as well, since it makes me write code that sighted people
can read. In college, my computer science professors were always on me
about indenting everything. When I started using python, and the
indentation habbits carried into other languages, my professors were
quite happy.
As to most people using c-style languages, I cannot speak for anyone,
but I think this might be due in large part to legacy systems. After
all, if you can find someone who knows c and can keep your system
running, why pay out the extra money to rewrite everything in a newer
language just because it is easier to upkeep? It seems like a good way
to lose money on the investment of rewriting everything.

On 6/17/11, Littlefield, Tyler <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Java uses it's indentation much like braces are used. It's not where
> things have to be in specific columns, but indentation sort of solves a
> couple problems.
> 1) It means that all blocks of code are denoted by a deeper indentation
> level than the block that branched it.
> 2) It also means that people usually stick to a nice style. I've seen a
> lot of different code, for example:
> while (bla)
> do_something();
> while (bla) {
> do_something
> }
> while (bla)
> {
> do_something();
> }
>
> Indentation can be a bit hard to get used to, but I personally like it
> quite a lot.
> On 6/17/2011 8:30 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
>> The thing I dislike about Python is mandatory indentation. This seems to
>> me a throwback to the old days of assembly language and Cobol, where
>> things had to be in certain columns. I like the free-form syntax of Java
>> and C.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:15:55PM -0700, David Tseng wrote:
>>> I personally find arguments about programming languages much analogous
>>> to those seen in politics.  Both sides have great points but tend to
>>> drive one another towards opposite extremes.  Some camps are die hard
>>> dynamic language practitioners while others stick to strongly typed
>>> code.
>>>
>>> I will say that strongly typed languages have kind of won the battle
>>> historically.  Most of the industry writes in C-styled languages like
>>> C/C++, java, etc.  Lisp, still beloved by many, kind of lost.  Python,
>>> as many have shown, works wonderfully and frees up coders to actually
>>> code, is still largely a wrapper on C.  For those who want absolute
>>> performance, it's considered still an extra level of indirection
>>> that's not worth the productivity gain.
>>>
>>> I love python and its free-form style and the amount of progress you
>>> can make using it.  Python excels at the rinse and repeat (compile,
>>> run, fix) style of coding.  The few seconds you need to compile a
>>> C-styled language and run, you're already fixing the bug in python.
>>> You're not babied into writing object-oriented code ala java, but can
>>> independently mix in functional aspects if you wish.  You can just as
>>> easily go OO if you want as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/17/11, Alex Hall<mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>>> Programming is certainly a matter of preference in most situations. I
>>>> would probably give up if the only option were php, since I really
>>>> hate that language (no offense to anyone). Java is easy enough, but I
>>>> agree that it feels bulky at times. I like Python's ease of use and
>>>> readability, plus you can create executables with it, something that
>>>> is difficult in java. Some people don't like that python is loosely
>>>> typed, but I prefer saying:
>>>> name=raw_input("Enter your name: ")
>>>> to, if memory serves:
>>>> name=new String();
>>>> in=new InputReader();
>>>> name=in.readLine();
>>>> or something along those lines.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/17/11, Littlefield, Tyler<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>>>> I've used both. I really like python because it comes on most *nix
>>>>> systems. I also like Python because of it's flexability and
>>>>> versatility.
>>>>> Java is nice enough, but it feels big bulky and clunky to me. That and
>>>>> they seem to have some serious naming convention issues. Sometimes
>>>>> things are capitalized, sometimes they're not--.net makes more sense.
>>>>> On 6/17/2011 6:49 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
>>>>>> There has been a lot of discussion on the list lately about Python.
>>>>>> Why
>>>>>> is that?Personally i much prefer Java. Its syntx makes a lot more
>>>>>> sense
>>>>>> and it is just as powerful, if not more. A command-line build system
>>>>>> like ant can take most of the hassle out of working with Java classes.
>>>>>> personally, I prefer this to Eclipse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BrailleBlaster is written in Java. I am using openjdk-1.6, Eclipse SWT
>>>>>> and Apache Ant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Ty
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