Re: Java Confidence Was RE: cobol-programming

  • From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 12:01:07 -0500

Mike,

More people should know about SWT. the letters stand for Standard Widget 
Toolkit. It is a set of Java classes and native libraries for creating 
and manipulating GUIs. The native libraries enable it to use the 
facilities of the operating system directly. It is truly cross-platform 
and generally accessible out of the box without anything like the Java 
Acess Bridge. We are using it in BrailleBlastger. The steepness of the 
learning curve is due to the complexity of the situations involved. It 
is also used in Eclipse. In fact, it is an Eclipse component. We have 
verified its cross-platform accessibility with the release of the 
BrailleBlaster prototype GUI. 

There will be disagreements of course, but I think that people should 
just forget about Swing for new programs.

John

On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 09:20:39AM -0700, Mike Freeman wrote:
> I hate to be so dense, but ... what's SWT? Is that the "other" JAVA 
> environment?
> 
> Mike Freeman
> sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:41, "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > I'm getting used to Java and finally understanding how things work, 
> > including SWT. The learning curve for SWT is so steep it is more like a 
> > cliff with an overhang. That said, the complexity of SWT is justified, 
> > and it is truly cross-platform. I hope to have a new release of 
> > BrailleBlaster, which uses SWT, out soon.
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 08:47:27AM -0400, James Homme wrote:
> >> Hi Suzie,
> >> Someday, you and I will have a conversation and we'll be laughing at these 
> >> days. Those will be the good new days.
> >> 
> >> Jim
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stanzel, Susan 
> >> - Kansas City, MO
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:51 AM
> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: RE: cobol-programming
> >> 
> >> Another thing I had to do was to set the window in JAWS, otherwise the 
> >> time continually got reported. I hate to say this, but I think I wish I 
> >> could go back to those days when I really knew what I was doing. I am 
> >> getting the hang of this Java stuff, however, I can't say it is fun.
> >> 
> >> Susie Stanzel
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 5:57 AM
> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: RE: cobol-programming
> >> 
> >> Hi,
> >> No. The mainframe is just a terminal window. There are no real controls 
> >> that get communicated to JAWS. My memory of the scripts I saw ages ago 
> >> tells me that they are totally based on screen coordinates. I remember 
> >> from my mainframe days that you would use the tab key to go from field to 
> >> field, and it stopped on some stuff at the top of the window like a 
> >> command line, and another field. The next tab stop was the first line 
> >> number of the code part of the window. The next was column 7, where all 
> >> comments must start in Cobol. Then, from there to the bottom of the 
> >> screen, you would have tab stops at the beginnings of lines and the 
> >> comment areas. Instead of reading the line numbers as you moved down 
> >> through lines of code, the scripts figured out where column 7 was and read 
> >> from there to the right. The beginnings of the fields had ==> by default, 
> >> so the scripts could do some invisible cursor magic and find that stuff. 
> >> They could also grab the row and column info from the status line at the 
> >> bottom of the window to make sure they knew what to read. 
> >> 
> >> Jim
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 4:45 PM
> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Re: cobol-programming
> >> 
> >> Hi: When you work on a terminal or emulator using something like COBOL and 
> >> CICS do you know if there is a DOM on the Terminal machine. In other 
> >> words, 
> >> I might have my pc running some piece of software to make it attachable as 
> >> a 
> >> 3270 to a mainframe. I guess that would be the emulator software. Then 
> >> there 
> >> is the software to link the emulator, my home computer, to the mainframe. 
> >> On 
> >> my home computer running as the 3270 terminal would there be a DOM I could 
> >> script to make it more accessible?
> >> I am wondering if I could wire up my home computer to a MainFrame and 
> >> script 
> >> the mashup somehow using WindowEyes to be accessible and fast to use.
> >> Rick USA
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 3:41 PM
> >> Subject: RE: cobol-programming
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Hi,
> >> Yes, but it matters which terminal emulator you are using, and if you can 
> >> get your hands on a set of scripts that help you work with the 
> >> environment, 
> >> that would even be better. There used to be someone named Glen Sepke who 
> >> had 
> >> an excellent set of scripts that work with those environments. The biggest 
> >> thing, though is the environment. The scripts do make you much more 
> >> efficient. Once yyou get there, Cobol is all text.
> >> 
> >> Jim
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gomal Tao
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 2:19 PM
> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: cobol-programming
> >> 
> >> Hello,
> >> 
> >> Is it possible to do programming in a IBM mainframe environment using
> >> jaws12? The language is cobol.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> /Gabriel
> >> 
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