Hi Chris, The only Java I ever wrote was done in either NoteTab Pro, Notepad, or vi on UNIX. The code was very bad and ugly because it was the first attempt I ever made at making classes and so on. Just thinking about it gives me chills of horror. I wish I could erase my programming brain and start over. I don't know why it's so hard to go from procedural programming to object oriented programming for me, but it is. I've been trying to sneak up on it now forever. LotusScript, I am told, is not truly object oriented, but it has taught me dot notation. Thanks. Jim James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc., james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810 "It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is to wait until I think I can do it just right." __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind