RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?

  • From: <Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:00:32 +0100

I think the difference is in the type of applications created.

Personally I have made and know of dialog based UI's developed by blind
people which look fine. This is because the rules for dialog based stuff
are pretty easy to follow.

For more stuff like, "draw a white line from point x to point y, put
some text below that line". We can do but because the rules are so much
more complex sighted developers can make that UI much easier. Its all
possible but its harder.

When it comes to UI for games you really need sighted people because the
UI is generally so complex.

Just my thoughts.
Nick.

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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black ares
Sent: 30 March 2011 14:37
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely
blind?

Ok, let step over this...
Also my friends tell me that I do good UI, but I suspect that they do
this 
or to be polite, or evaluating them from a point of view that it is a
good 
ui made by a blind, but not a good ui made by a developer.

Try to send an app to some one you don't know and don't tell him before
that 
you are blind.
And you will get the right answer.
How ever, in mobile world, where the ui Kits are not so developed, may
be 
the difference is not so visible.
But in desktop/web application world, the difference is so visible.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely
blind?


> Um why not pretty you can set properties and all the same as a sited 
> person
> and from what I have been told they look more than fine.  Now that is
in
> comparison to other Android apps so are you telling me all Android
apps 
> look
> bad?
>
> ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina
Bahram
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 6:07 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely 
> blind?
>
> Yes, it is ... you can make functional UI's there, even easy to use
ones,
> but I wouldn't call them pretty, which was the word being
> used.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:03 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely 
> blind?
>
> This is not the case on the Android.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black ares
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:43 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely 
> blind?
>
> Ken,
> Beeing realistic you know that we can not do prety UI.
> Ok, we can, where the accessibility permits, at least build an
interface
> where controls are not one on top of another.
> But from here to the point where you can sell something with an UI
build 
> by
> a blind, it is a long long way.
> Because even in the most accessible envirnoment, we are not able to
know 
> how
>
> to combine colors to do a preety look, how to combine some efects on
that
> color to optain a metal looking or a wood looking, even we are not
able to
> build a well proportioned UI, some controls will be or too big or too 
> small
> in raport with others on the same page.
> Also the arangement of the controls is important and even using the
best
> layouts predefined in the environment you can not achieve something
preety
> good.
> For this reason I always let someone sighted to do interfaces.
> How ever they do them faster than me.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:02 PM
> Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely 
> blind?
>
>
>> Then you will never build a useful UI program sure you can build
plenty 
>> of
>> tools but sorry the world is GUI and unless we fight for that ability
we
>> are
>> second class citizens in the programming world.  Now I am not
belittling
>> anything you do or anything coders do low level because those are 
>> powerful
>> areas.  I however would rather code for an environment where the UI
is
>> accessible to write as well as use.  Right now Android is  a good one
to
>> look at.  True it's not fully accessible yet but we are actually able
to
>> create UI and we are able to help bring this platform along.
Microsoft
>> was
>> drug into accessibility and they have already forgot about it when it
>> comes
>> to the new windows mobile.  I see Visual studio as an accessible
platform
>> because if you want to make GUIs you can do it and it's not a
nightmare.
>> It
>> is a nightmare with the IPhone currently.  That may not stay that way
>> because there is a project or two that will make it accessible.  But
for
>> now
>> if your writing software that you want to sell in the App store you
will
>> be
>> getting help.  That is just too bad because one of the cool things
about
>> both the Android and Apple markets is its finally a place people can
make
>> simple and nice programs to make small bits of cash.
>>
>> Ken
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black
ares
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:41 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely
>> blind?
>>
>> Ken,
>> For my accessible means to be able to code.
>> I even in visual studio don't build gui alone, because I don't use
any
>> kind
>> of scripts with it, but more over, as a blind, I know that I can not
do
>> eye-catching interfaces, not even dezirable ones.
>> So I don't pay attention to the gui building when i mean accessible.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:55 PM
>> Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely
>> blind?
>>
>>
>>> Really completely accessible?  So please make the fruit basket
program.
>>> As
>>> easy as it is it should take you less than an hour.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black
ares
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:01 AM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while
completely
>>> blind?
>>>
>>> There is no choice other than using a mac.
>>> From my experience, it is very accessible.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Jared Stofflett" <stofflet@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: "programmingblind" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:40 PM
>>> Subject: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely
blind?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Is it possible to do iPhone programming when completely blind? My
>>>> understanding is I will need to buy a mac. My experience with macs
>>>> consists of going through part of the voiceover tutorial and
learning
>>>> just enough to add my self as a user on my friends computer using
>>>> voiceover. Any information on what type of System would be best for
>>>> iPhone programming is appreciated.
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