That is the word, we all know that sighted users look for preety UI. They even don't care about the genious code behind if the UI is a ugly one.----- Original Message ----- From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 1:06 PM Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?
Yes, it is ... you can make functional UI's there, even easy to use ones, but I wouldn't call them pretty, which was the word beingused. Take care, Sina -----Original Message-----From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken PerrySent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:03 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?This is not the case on the Android. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black ares Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:43 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?Ken, Beeing realistic you know that we can not do prety UI. Ok, we can, where the accessibility permits, at least build an interface where controls are not one on top of another.But from here to the point where you can sell something with an UI build bya blind, it is a long long way.Because even in the most accessible envirnoment, we are not able to know howto combine colors to do a preety look, how to combine some efects on that color to optain a metal looking or a wood looking, even we are not able tobuild a well proportioned UI, some controls will be or too big or too smallin raport with others on the same page. Also the arangement of the controls is important and even using the best layouts predefined in the environment you can not achieve something preety good. For this reason I always let someone sighted to do interfaces. How ever they do them faster than me.----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:02 PMSubject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?Then you will never build a useful UI program sure you can build plenty oftools but sorry the world is GUI and unless we fight for that ability we are second class citizens in the programming world. Now I am not belittlinganything you do or anything coders do low level because those are powerfulareas. I however would rather code for an environment where the UI is accessible to write as well as use. Right now Android is a good one to look at. True it's not fully accessible yet but we are actually able to create UI and we are able to help bring this platform along. Microsoft was drug into accessibility and they have already forgot about it when it comes to the new windows mobile. I see Visual studio as an accessible platform because if you want to make GUIs you can do it and it's not a nightmare. It is a nightmare with the IPhone currently. That may not stay that way because there is a project or two that will make it accessible. But for now if your writing software that you want to sell in the App store you will be getting help. That is just too bad because one of the cool things about both the Android and Apple markets is its finally a place people can make simple and nice programs to make small bits of cash. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black ares Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:41 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind? Ken, For my accessible means to be able to code. I even in visual studio don't build gui alone, because I don't use any kind of scripts with it, but more over, as a blind, I know that I can not do eye-catching interfaces, not even dezirable ones. So I don't pay attention to the gui building when i mean accessible.----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:55 PM Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?Really completely accessible? So please make the fruit basket program. As easy as it is it should take you less than an hour. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black ares Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:01 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind? There is no choice other than using a mac. From my experience, it is very accessible.----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Stofflett" <stofflet@xxxxxxxxx>To: "programmingblind" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:40 PM Subject: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?Is it possible to do iPhone programming when completely blind? My understanding is I will need to buy a mac. My experience with macs consists of going through part of the voiceover tutorial and learning just enough to add my self as a user on my friends computer using voiceover. 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