I am not fully convinced. I had a problem the other day and had to reboot in the middle of a flash install. When my computer came back up the Adobe flash installer talked perfectly with jaws 12. The weird thing is it was not talking before I rebooted it only said the q and I and stuff like normal but it seems when it loaded first Jaws read the dialogs fine. Next time I get an update I am going to shut jaws off and start it back up after I start the install and see what happens. ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kerneels Roos Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 1:42 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind? Hmm, interesting. OK, I'm convinced, they can do a lot more (forgot about the annoying flash updater thing!). On 3/29/2011 12:46 PM, black ares wrote: > Hmm, > Besides what a company do and say, there are the rsults. > And in my life I notice things. > Amoung them: > 1. Flash aren't accessible, some times, you can push buttons, but try > to do a seeking in the video, to skip let say, in the middle of the > video. > 2. Acrobat reader? Yes it is accessible if you want to read the entire > document page by page. > But if you try to search some therms... I wish you luck. > Also sometimes it blocks jaws and you have no chance than to kill the > acroread process. > 3. Adobe flash updater/installer is not accessible at all and it gets > annoing when you open your computer to have that window opened and to > simply close it because you can not press any button there. > 4. It was at an interview with them for a new system they develop > named Byusiness catalist. > And amoung other question I had for them is who will do the > accessibility for that system. > They said that they have not forseen accessibility engineers for that > system and for the moment they don't care about accessibility. > > So in short, I think that the accessibility for adobe is only to do > some marketing on the products they have, or that they gain > accessibility only by change or by mistake. > > How ever, the accessibility models implemented by them aren't the best > in the world and they don't qualify even for top 100. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G" <jglists0@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely > blind? > > >> "Also, Adobe Reader has native support for reading PDF files and the >> option to save to text." >> >> Formally, that is true. In reality, however, there are yet major >> issues with extracting text from PDFs. For example, layout semantics >> are invariably lost during translation, specialist symbols, unless >> encoded in unicode, aalso go missing during translation, ligatures >> are seldom successfully decoded in the plain text version, and so on >> and so forth. >> So I'm afraid I just can't share your enthusiasm for PDFs. >> John >> At 08:13 29/03/2011, you wrote: >>> Sorry, but Adobe does take accessibility serious. They have funded >>> NVDA development in the past and Flash applications to my knowledge >>> provides means for making them accessible. A couple of times now >>> I've interacted with Flash applets if you like online and even with >>> an old JFW 8.0 they were accessible. Also, Adobe Reader has native >>> support for reading PDF files and the option to save to text. In >>> short, give them some credit :-) they are trying. >>> >>> On 3/29/2011 6:17 AM, black ares wrote: >>>> how ever, Adobe don't seems to care very much about the >>>> accessibility of his tools. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" >>>> <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:36 PM >>>> Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while >>>> completely blind? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Be my guest >>>>> >>>>> I have no idea nore would I write a hello world in flash. >>>>> >>>>> Ken >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Client >>>>> Services >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:17 PM >>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while >>>>> completely blind? >>>>> >>>>> What about using Adobe Flash CS5? >>>>> They allow you to convert flash programs to the iphone platform. >>>>> >>>>> Warmest Regards, >>>>> H.R. Soltani >>>>> Star Federal, Inc. >>>>> Management, Consulting, and Development >>>>> When you prosper, we succeed! >>>>> Mailing Address: 228 Park Avenue South, #24165, New York, NY 10003 >>>>> New York City Phone: (212) 561-5811 >>>>> Washington DC Phone: 202-559-7200 >>>>> Toll-Free Phone: (800) 212-2805 >>>>> Fax: (800) 902-6049 >>>>> Website: StarFederal.com >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:05 PM >>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while >>>>> completely blind? >>>>> >>>>> Coding in objective c is not the problem. The problem is the >>>>> interface >>>>> builder in xcode. You can fight and get some crappy dialog test >>>>> program >>>>> going but if you're trying to create software for the IPhone and >>>>> you don't >>>>> have someone to do the GUI you will not be able to get very far. >>>>> If your >>>>> coding for the mac your choices are better because there is an >>>>> accessible >>>>> way of doing things. So far that is not the case for IPhone. I >>>>> am not >>>>> saying you cannot code things but it is not something you will >>>>> have much >>>>> luck with if your totally blind. Another thing to know is that >>>>> you have to >>>>> have a Mac to code for the IPhone unless you use Titanium but the >>>>> problem >>>>> with Titanium is it is a java tool and not accessible with 64 bit >>>>> machines >>>>> because of the access bridge. All though that might be different >>>>> now that >>>>> the new access bridge is out. >>>>> >>>>> Ken >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>>>> DaShiell, Jude >>>>> T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 3:02 PM >>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while >>>>> completely blind? >>>>> >>>>> I have no direct knowledge of Objective C so can't answer that >>>>> question. >>>>> I asked what language iPhone used as its native language and got this >>>>> information back on aiphones mailing list. Probably a good >>>>> question for >>>>> me to ask and have answered before I ask a long standing friend to do >>>>> some research for me is what hardware platform is expected to be >>>>> put to >>>>> use doing the programming? That may or may not make a >>>>> difference. My >>>>> long standing friend is busy but will help out as she has a chance >>>>> provided intelligent questions come her way so I want to have the >>>>> bases >>>>> covered before contacting her. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, >>>>> James >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 14:48 >>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely >>>>> blind? >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> Does that translate to yes or no? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Jim >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell, >>>>> Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 2:33 PM >>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely >>>>> blind? >>>>> >>>>> iPhone uses Objective C as its native language. Doing accessible >>>>> programming requires Objective C and compliance with Cocoa standards. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared >>>>> Stofflett >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:41 >>>>> To: programmingblind >>>>> Subject: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely >>>>> blind? >>>>> >>>>> Is it possible to do iPhone programming when completely blind? My >>>>> understanding is I will need to buy a mac. My experience with macs >>>>> consists of going through part of the voiceover tutorial and learning >>>>> just enough to add my self as a user on my friends computer using >>>>> voiceover. 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