RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?

  • From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:47:22 -0400

I am not fully convinced.  I had a problem the other day and had to reboot
in the middle of a flash install.  When my computer came back up the Adobe
flash installer talked perfectly with jaws 12.  The weird thing is it was
not talking before I rebooted it only said the q and I and stuff like normal
but it seems when it loaded first Jaws read the dialogs fine.  Next time I
get an update I am going to shut jaws off and start it back up after I start
the install and see what happens.  

ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kerneels Roos
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 1:42 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?

Hmm, interesting. OK, I'm convinced, they can do a lot more (forgot 
about the annoying flash updater thing!).

On 3/29/2011 12:46 PM, black ares wrote:
> Hmm,
> Besides what a company do and say, there are the rsults.
> And in my life I notice things.
> Amoung them:
> 1. Flash aren't accessible, some times, you can push buttons, but try 
> to do a seeking in the video, to skip let say, in the middle of the 
> video.
> 2. Acrobat reader? Yes it is accessible if you want to read the entire 
> document page by page.
> But if you try to search some therms... I wish you luck.
> Also sometimes it blocks jaws and you have no chance than to kill the 
> acroread process.
> 3. Adobe flash updater/installer is not accessible at all and it gets 
> annoing when you open your computer to have that window opened and to 
> simply close it because you can not press any button there.
> 4. It was at an interview with them for a new system they develop 
> named Byusiness catalist.
> And amoung other question I had for them is who will do the 
> accessibility for that system.
> They said that they have not forseen accessibility engineers for that 
> system and for the moment they don't care about accessibility.
>
> So in short, I think that the accessibility for adobe is only to do 
> some marketing on the products they have, or that they gain 
> accessibility only by change or by mistake.
>
> How ever, the accessibility models implemented by them aren't the best 
> in the world and they don't qualify even for top 100.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G" <jglists0@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely 
> blind?
>
>
>> "Also, Adobe Reader has native support for reading PDF files and the 
>> option to save to text."
>>
>> Formally, that is true.  In reality, however, there are yet major 
>> issues with extracting text from PDFs.  For example, layout semantics 
>> are invariably lost during translation, specialist symbols, unless 
>> encoded in unicode, aalso go missing during translation, ligatures 
>> are seldom successfully decoded in the plain text version, and so on 
>> and so forth.
>> So I'm afraid I just can't share your enthusiasm for PDFs.
>> John
>> At 08:13 29/03/2011, you wrote:
>>> Sorry, but Adobe does take accessibility serious. They have funded 
>>> NVDA development in the past and Flash applications to my knowledge 
>>> provides means for making them accessible. A couple of times now 
>>> I've interacted with Flash applets if you like online and even with 
>>> an old JFW 8.0 they were accessible. Also, Adobe Reader has native 
>>> support for reading PDF files and the option to save to text. In 
>>> short, give them some credit :-) they are trying.
>>>
>>> On 3/29/2011 6:17 AM, black ares wrote:
>>>> how ever, Adobe don't seems to care very much about the 
>>>> accessibility of his tools.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" 
>>>> <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:36 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while 
>>>> completely blind?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Be my guest
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea nore would I write a hello world in flash.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Client 
>>>>> Services
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:17 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while 
>>>>> completely blind?
>>>>>
>>>>> What about using Adobe Flash CS5?
>>>>> They allow you to convert flash programs to the iphone platform.
>>>>>
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:05 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while 
>>>>> completely blind?
>>>>>
>>>>> Coding in objective c is not the problem.  The problem is the 
>>>>> interface
>>>>> builder in xcode.  You can fight and get some crappy dialog test 
>>>>> program
>>>>> going but if you're trying to create software for the IPhone and 
>>>>> you don't
>>>>> have someone to do the GUI you will not be able to get very far.  
>>>>> If your
>>>>> coding for the mac your choices are better because there is an 
>>>>> accessible
>>>>> way of doing things.  So far that is not the case for IPhone.  I 
>>>>> am not
>>>>> saying you cannot code things but it is not something you will 
>>>>> have much
>>>>> luck with if your totally blind.  Another thing to know is that 
>>>>> you have to
>>>>> have a Mac to code for the IPhone unless you use Titanium but the 
>>>>> problem
>>>>> with Titanium is it is a java tool and not accessible with 64 bit 
>>>>> machines
>>>>> because of the access bridge.  All though that might be different 
>>>>> now that
>>>>> the new access bridge is out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> DaShiell, Jude
>>>>> T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 3:02 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while 
>>>>> completely blind?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no direct knowledge of Objective C so can't answer that 
>>>>> question.
>>>>> I asked what language iPhone used as its native language and got this
>>>>> information back on aiphones mailing list.  Probably a good 
>>>>> question for
>>>>> me to ask and have answered before I ask a long standing friend to do
>>>>> some research for me is what hardware platform is expected to be 
>>>>> put to
>>>>> use doing the programming?  That may or may not make a 
>>>>> difference.  My
>>>>> long standing friend is busy but will help out as she has a chance
>>>>> provided intelligent questions come her way so I want to have the 
>>>>> bases
>>>>> covered before contacting her.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, 
>>>>> James
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 14:48
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely
>>>>> blind?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Does that translate to yes or no?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
>>>>> Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 2:33 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely
>>>>> blind?
>>>>>
>>>>> iPhone uses Objective C as its native language.  Doing accessible
>>>>> programming requires Objective C and compliance with Cocoa standards.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared
>>>>> Stofflett
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:41
>>>>> To: programmingblind
>>>>> Subject: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely 
>>>>> blind?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible to do iPhone programming when completely blind? My
>>>>> understanding is I will need to buy a mac. My experience with macs
>>>>> consists of going through part of the voiceover tutorial and learning
>>>>> just enough to add my self as a user on my friends computer using
>>>>> voiceover. Any information on what type of System would be best for
>>>>> iPhone programming is appreciated.
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