The fact that Adobe contributed heavily to NVDA tells me that they would rather have someone else take care of a11y. Well then, we should grab that opportunity! There's a business opportunity!
Thinking about it, as a blind developer you make a huge impact if you do a11y development since you help everyone else and yourself.
On 3/30/2011 12:12 AM, The Elf wrote:
agreed troubleand to the other person, oh really, they used to work with us some, but now we can't even read the installer, and you can still believe there trying?there trying alright, trying my Patients elf Moderator, Blind Access Help Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises Specialists in customized computers and peripherals - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trouble" <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:17 AMSubject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?Wish I could give them credit. Ok, E for effort on the accessible coding features, but hardly anyone uses them. And they can be held for the flash on there own web pages to be accessible, but there not.Its the same with PDF's.So try is a to strong of word for them. At 03:13 AM 3/29/2011, you wrote:Sorry, but Adobe does take accessibility serious. They have funded NVDA development in the past and Flash applications to my knowledge provides means for making them accessible. A couple of times now I've interacted with Flash applets if you like online and even with an old JFW 8.0 they were accessible. Also, Adobe Reader has native support for reading PDF files and the option to save to text. In short, give them some credit :-) they are trying.On 3/29/2011 6:17 AM, black ares wrote:how ever, Adobe don't seems to care very much about the accessibility of his tools.----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:36 PMSubject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?Be my guest I have no idea nore would I write a hello world in flash. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Client ServicesSent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:17 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?What about using Adobe Flash CS5? They allow you to convert flash programs to the iphone platform. Warmest Regards, H.R. Soltani Star Federal, Inc. Management, Consulting, and Development When you prosper, we succeed! Mailing Address: 228 Park Avenue South, #24165, New York, NY 10003 New York City Phone: (212) 561-5811 Washington DC Phone: 202-559-7200 Toll-Free Phone: (800) 212-2805 Fax: (800) 902-6049 Website: StarFederal.com -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:05 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?Coding in objective c is not the problem. The problem is the interface builder in xcode. You can fight and get some crappy dialog test program going but if you're trying to create software for the IPhone and you don't have someone to do the GUI you will not be able to get very far. If your coding for the mac your choices are better because there is an accessible way of doing things. So far that is not the case for IPhone. I am not saying you cannot code things but it is not something you will have much luck with if your totally blind. Another thing to know is that you have to have a Mac to code for the IPhone unless you use Titanium but the problem with Titanium is it is a java tool and not accessible with 64 bit machines because of the access bridge. All though that might be different now thatthe new access bridge is out. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell, JudeT. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 3:02 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?I have no direct knowledge of Objective C so can't answer that question.I asked what language iPhone used as its native language and got thisinformation back on aiphones mailing list. Probably a good question forme to ask and have answered before I ask a long standing friend to dosome research for me is what hardware platform is expected to be put to use doing the programming? That may or may not make a difference. Mylong standing friend is busy but will help out as she has a chanceprovided intelligent questions come her way so I want to have the basescovered before contacting her. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, JamesSent: Monday, March 28, 2011 14:48 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind? Hi, Does that translate to yes or no? Thanks. Jim -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 2:33 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind? iPhone uses Objective C as its native language. Doing accessible programming requires Objective C and compliance with Cocoa standards. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Stofflett Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:41 To: programmingblindSubject: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?Is it possible to do iPhone programming when completely blind? My understanding is I will need to buy a mac. My experience with macs consists of going through part of the voiceover tutorial and learning just enough to add my self as a user on my friends computer using voiceover. 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