Hmm, interesting. OK, I'm convinced, they can do a lot more (forgot about the annoying flash updater thing!).
On 3/29/2011 12:46 PM, black ares wrote:
Hmm, Besides what a company do and say, there are the rsults. And in my life I notice things. Amoung them:1. Flash aren't accessible, some times, you can push buttons, but try to do a seeking in the video, to skip let say, in the middle of the video. 2. Acrobat reader? Yes it is accessible if you want to read the entire document page by page.But if you try to search some therms... I wish you luck.Also sometimes it blocks jaws and you have no chance than to kill the acroread process. 3. Adobe flash updater/installer is not accessible at all and it gets annoing when you open your computer to have that window opened and to simply close it because you can not press any button there. 4. It was at an interview with them for a new system they develop named Byusiness catalist. And amoung other question I had for them is who will do the accessibility for that system. They said that they have not forseen accessibility engineers for that system and for the moment they don't care about accessibility.So in short, I think that the accessibility for adobe is only to do some marketing on the products they have, or that they gain accessibility only by change or by mistake.How ever, the accessibility models implemented by them aren't the best in the world and they don't qualify even for top 100.----- Original Message ----- From: "John G" <jglists0@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:26 PMSubject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?"Also, Adobe Reader has native support for reading PDF files and the option to save to text."Formally, that is true. In reality, however, there are yet major issues with extracting text from PDFs. For example, layout semantics are invariably lost during translation, specialist symbols, unless encoded in unicode, aalso go missing during translation, ligatures are seldom successfully decoded in the plain text version, and so on and so forth.So I'm afraid I just can't share your enthusiasm for PDFs. John At 08:13 29/03/2011, you wrote:Sorry, but Adobe does take accessibility serious. They have funded NVDA development in the past and Flash applications to my knowledge provides means for making them accessible. A couple of times now I've interacted with Flash applets if you like online and even with an old JFW 8.0 they were accessible. Also, Adobe Reader has native support for reading PDF files and the option to save to text. In short, give them some credit :-) they are trying.On 3/29/2011 6:17 AM, black ares wrote:how ever, Adobe don't seems to care very much about the accessibility of his tools.----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:36 PMSubject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?Be my guest I have no idea nore would I write a hello world in flash. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Client ServicesSent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:17 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?What about using Adobe Flash CS5? They allow you to convert flash programs to the iphone platform. Warmest Regards, H.R. Soltani Star Federal, Inc. Management, Consulting, and Development When you prosper, we succeed! Mailing Address: 228 Park Avenue South, #24165, New York, NY 10003 New York City Phone: (212) 561-5811 Washington DC Phone: 202-559-7200 Toll-Free Phone: (800) 212-2805 Fax: (800) 902-6049 Website: StarFederal.com -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:05 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?Coding in objective c is not the problem. The problem is the interface builder in xcode. You can fight and get some crappy dialog test program going but if you're trying to create software for the IPhone and you don't have someone to do the GUI you will not be able to get very far. If your coding for the mac your choices are better because there is an accessible way of doing things. So far that is not the case for IPhone. I am not saying you cannot code things but it is not something you will have much luck with if your totally blind. Another thing to know is that you have to have a Mac to code for the IPhone unless you use Titanium but the problem with Titanium is it is a java tool and not accessible with 64 bit machines because of the access bridge. All though that might be different now thatthe new access bridge is out. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell, JudeT. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 3:02 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?I have no direct knowledge of Objective C so can't answer that question.I asked what language iPhone used as its native language and got thisinformation back on aiphones mailing list. Probably a good question forme to ask and have answered before I ask a long standing friend to dosome research for me is what hardware platform is expected to be put to use doing the programming? That may or may not make a difference. Mylong standing friend is busy but will help out as she has a chanceprovided intelligent questions come her way so I want to have the basescovered before contacting her. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, JamesSent: Monday, March 28, 2011 14:48 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind? Hi, Does that translate to yes or no? Thanks. Jim -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 2:33 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind? iPhone uses Objective C as its native language. Doing accessible programming requires Objective C and compliance with Cocoa standards. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Stofflett Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:41 To: programmingblindSubject: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?Is it possible to do iPhone programming when completely blind? My understanding is I will need to buy a mac. My experience with macs consists of going through part of the voiceover tutorial and learning just enough to add my self as a user on my friends computer using voiceover. 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