Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?

  • From: Kerneels Roos <kerneels@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:40:14 +0200

True, but are there any tools available that does a better job of text extraction from PDF docs (for example)? If so then Adobe really has no excuse and should be able to do the same and even better.


Just thought of this; perhaps Adobe and other companies would be smart to release their access technology under a license that allows for source modifications and source inspection, along with all the support needed to compile the access technology back into the paid for applications. This would allow knowledgeable users to contribute. It should not be a license for the company now to stop supporting their a11y team, but given that they will by law be forced to plow in the same resources as before, now they could focus it on organising the project and making it possible for people to contribute.

This way their existing a11y team will get closer interaction with the actual users and that in itself would be a motivation for the individuals in the team to make things work better. After a company took these steps, a natural move to employ external developers to further their project becomes more and more viable. Imagine how many off site, independant blind contractors could be employed this way...

The future of Microsoft depends on them having legions of developers all over the world using their OS, dev tools and frameworks. With things being closed source you can only go a given depth, so I do expect MS to start opening up their source code more and more as time goes on. They could always retain specific crucial components as closed, paid for source, but ultimately even that might become open.

Just a thought or two.

Kerneels
On 3/29/2011 11:26 AM, John G wrote:
"Also, Adobe Reader has native support for reading PDF files and the option to save to text."

Formally, that is true. In reality, however, there are yet major issues with extracting text from PDFs. For example, layout semantics are invariably lost during translation, specialist symbols, unless encoded in unicode, aalso go missing during translation, ligatures are seldom successfully decoded in the plain text version, and so on and so forth.
So I'm afraid I just can't share your enthusiasm for PDFs.
John
At 08:13 29/03/2011, you wrote:
Sorry, but Adobe does take accessibility serious. They have funded NVDA development in the past and Flash applications to my knowledge provides means for making them accessible. A couple of times now I've interacted with Flash applets if you like online and even with an old JFW 8.0 they were accessible. Also, Adobe Reader has native support for reading PDF files and the option to save to text. In short, give them some credit :-) they are trying.

On 3/29/2011 6:17 AM, black ares wrote:
how ever, Adobe don't seems to care very much about the accessibility of his tools.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:36 PM
Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?


Be my guest

I have no idea nore would I write a hello world in flash.

Ken

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What about using Adobe Flash CS5?
They allow you to convert flash programs to the iphone platform.

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Coding in objective c is not the problem. The problem is the interface builder in xcode. You can fight and get some crappy dialog test program going but if you're trying to create software for the IPhone and you don't have someone to do the GUI you will not be able to get very far. If your coding for the mac your choices are better because there is an accessible way of doing things. So far that is not the case for IPhone. I am not saying you cannot code things but it is not something you will have much luck with if your totally blind. Another thing to know is that you have to have a Mac to code for the IPhone unless you use Titanium but the problem with Titanium is it is a java tool and not accessible with 64 bit machines because of the access bridge. All though that might be different now that
the new access bridge is out.

Ken


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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell, Jude
T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 3:02 PM
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Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?

I have no direct knowledge of Objective C so can't answer that question.
I asked what language iPhone used as its native language and got this
information back on aiphones mailing list. Probably a good question for
me to ask and have answered before I ask a long standing friend to do
some research for me is what hardware platform is expected to be put to
use doing the programming?  That may or may not make a difference.  My
long standing friend is busy but will help out as she has a chance
provided intelligent questions come her way so I want to have the bases
covered before contacting her.

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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 14:48
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Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely
blind?

Hi,
Does that translate to yes or no?

Thanks.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
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Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 2:33 PM
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Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely
blind?

iPhone uses Objective C as its native language.  Doing accessible
programming requires Objective C and compliance with Cocoa standards.

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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared
Stofflett
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:41
To: programmingblind
Subject: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?

Is it possible to do iPhone programming when completely blind? My
understanding is I will need to buy a mac. My experience with macs
consists of going through part of the voiceover tutorial and learning
just enough to add my self as a user on my friends computer using
voiceover. Any information on what type of System would be best for
iPhone programming is appreciated.
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