RE: In regards to my giving up on programming?

  • From: Øyvind Lode <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:04:16 +0200

Just let me know if you are interested and I'll send you the invitation :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Øyvind Lode [mailto:oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 7. juli 2010 17:00
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: In regards to my giving up on programming?

Dropbox has both a free and paid option.
I use the free one.
You get 2GB storage, but if I send you an invitation from my account we both
get 225MB extra :)
In other words you will then have 2.25GB instead of the default 2GB.

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
Sent: 7. juli 2010 16:45
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: In regards to my giving up on programming?

Heh, I've done that with viruses that attacked my machine.  Had a
horrible experience with one that opens up a browser in the back
ground and navigates to adult sites and gambling sites.  No idea how I
got it but it was on my work machine.  Made for embarrassments.  I had
to track it down to the system32 directory and rename the .exe as a
txt because every time you deleted it, it triggered a program that
copied it back to your machine.  Killing it was kind of fun but
time-consuming.  I'm a trainer for a financial services call center by
profession not a developer but, you know how it is, you have to learn
all sorts of stuff just to use a computer when you're blind.  My IT
guys here are scared of my machine and only wanna mess with it when
they absolutely possitively have to.

How do you get to dropbox?  How much does it cost?

Alex M

On 7/7/10, Tyler Littlefield <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> dropbox is different from gmail, which does allow for executables, if you
> get clever and rename it to .txt. :)
>               Thanks,
> Tyler Littlefield
>       Twitter: sorressean
> On Jul 7, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
>> Hi, Jes,
>> Thanks for the offer.  Don't worry about it, though.  Someone on this
>> list was kind enough to post a link to where I can obtain it.
>> Besides, I don't believe gmail allows for .exe files to be sent,
>> more's the pity.  Your generous offer is very much appreciated though.
>> Good luck on your programs.  Looks like you and me are slogging
>> through the same mirasse.  I've actually chosen Eclipse as my IDE to
>> learn for now too.  I think I'll use vc++ as my secondary one since
>> it's important to know if if you ever intend to do any serious
>> developing in windows.   Looks like all the schools teach it.
>> Planning on enrolling in an honest-to-god college course for the stuff
>> in the upcoming fall semester if the Lord says the same and, I'm sure
>> they'll be wanting to use it.  Hope they're not stuck on using 2010
>> though.  It's a beat down.  Screen readers send it into shock.
>> Thanks again
>> Alex m
>> On 7/7/10, Jes <theeternalkid@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Alex wrote:
>>> "You can't get visual studio 2008 any more.  I tried. "
>>>> Alex, If you are looking for v s express  2008 edition, I have a copy.
>>>> Drop box it to you?
>>> On Jul 6, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>> You can't get visual studio 2008 any more.  I tried.  They've come out
>>>> with 2010 now and I can't find a download link to a 2008 version.
>>>> 2010, I found out this weekend, has a bug which aMS claims to have
>>>> fixed but doesn't seem to have in truth.  It uses uia (user interface
>>>> automation) and apparently knows when you are using ascreen reader.
>>>> Thing is, it crashes on you when this is activated.  Something to do
>>>> with intelisense.  There's a patch you can download for it but, mine
>>>> said the error didn't apply.  Go figure.    Crashed like crazy till I
>>>> told it not to automate visual settings (deactivated uia).   Worked
>>>> without crashing then but navigation with Jaws was a pain.  So if
>>>> anyone is going to buy the professional version of 2010 or will
>>>> upgrade, "caviat emptor!"  Buyer beware.
>>>> Alex m
>>>> On 7/5/10, Dave <davidct1209@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks for posting that Jamal.
>>>>> I think a better title for the article would have been "Does Visual
>>>>> Studio and .Net Rot the Mind?".  I, personally, love .Net + Visual
>>>>> studio as you can write a Windows app at break neck speed and the
>>>>> process of building/running is lightning fast.
>>>>> However, for new comers, I can see why Petzold seemed so hesitant to
>>>>> write a guide to winforms as opposed to full on development.  I can
>>>>> see how easy it would have been to drag a few controls around and even
>>>>> adding a few event handlers to an app would have yielded a sense of
>>>>> accomplishment, but if anything ever went wrong or if I was actually
>>>>> serious about doing professional development that would have been a
>>>>> hinderence.  It's somewhat revealing to see that even Microsoft hasn't
>>>>> adopted .Net for its serious revenue generating applications (Office,
>>>>> IE, Windows, etc.).  For that matter, most screen readers use
>>>>> win32/C++/MFC/COM.  .Net allows programmers to remain oblivious of
>>>>> core Windows concepts as it does all of the heavy lifting, so that
>>>>> when things go wrong, you have no idea what happened or even where to
>>>>> start looking.  It also skirts around the pure joy of designing or
>>>>> seeing core algorithms implemented.
>>>>> Having recently been coding mostly in C++/StL/COM, I can appreciate
>>>>> how much work it takes to get low-level details right especially with
>>>>> a big project; but with those struggles comes greater control,
>>>>> performance, and cross-platform possibilities.  Now, if I write a .Net
>>>>> app, I'm conscious of what exactly occurs when I assign object
>>>>> references or how much boxing/unboxing costs or using StringBuilder,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> This isn't to say .Net is "bad", but for someone who wants the full
>>>>> story on Windows development and not a watered down version more apt
>>>>> for hobbiest, win32/C would be a great jumping off point as .Net
>>>>> serves mostly as a wrapper for those legacy technologies (with the
>>>>> noteable exception of WPF which is based on DirectX).
>>>>> On 7/5/10, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> This reminds me of an article:
>>>>>> Does Visual Studio Rot the Mind?
>>>>>> Ruminations on the Psychology and Aesthetics of Coding
>>>>>> By Charles Petzold
>>>>>> Jamal
>>>>>> On 7/2/2010 7:49 PM, Jes wrote:
>>>>>>> Ken wrote:
>>>>>>> "You can get up and running much faster on a language like, python,
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> c
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> actually see results.  Results is what matters when you start out
>>>>>>> coding"...
>>>>>>> I couldn't agree more with that. The IDE is a lazy man's way to
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> program. To me, any text book or college material which gives you a
>>>>>>> prepackaged formula, claiming to teach you something isn't really
>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>> you any good and shouldn't even be used by the college. As an
>>>>>>> example,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> book I am using is "An Introduction to Programming with C plus plus,
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> Diane Zak." Thank goodness they used programming, not coding. They
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> show you the code you need to copy and paste into your IDE, which,
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> case, is Visual Studio. I like the way the book introduces new
>>>>>>> concepts
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the C plus plus language to you, but they fail to really get down
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> dirt with all of it. For example, they tell you what an algorithm
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> they tell you the various procedures to start writing a program; 1,
>>>>>>> analyzing a problem, 2, planning an algorithm, 3, desk-checking your
>>>>>>> algorithm, etc. Basically, it just feels like I'm copying and
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> bunch of code, into an IDE so I can pass a c
>>>>>> ourse. Furthermore, when we finally have no errors in the code, the
>>>>>> .exe
>>>>>> opens up in a command prompt. They don't even help us build real
>>>>>> genuine
>>>>>> Windows apps, it's all console applications. I've always associated C
>>>>>> plus
>>>>>> plus with genuine Windows gui application development. What's wrong
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> this picture?
>>>>>>> Jes, the proud man.
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