ah, i don't have any idea about that other list, but i'm happy here! logically, "blind programming" is more descriptive name. isn't it? just my opinion. regards, prateek agarwal. On 8/31/11, Dale Leavens <dleavens@xxxxxxx> wrote: > What a hell of a fuss over nothing. > > I have been following both lists for 10 or 12 years maybe a little more now > as have many others. This thread has been going on so long now I don't > remember why the merge has been considered desirable but neither can I see > any reason to be concerned about it. The traffic on this subject is one > reason why Program-l might well not want this list as part of theirs. > > I believe the history was around a couple of people trying to make Microsoft > Visual Basic more accessible given the programming environment of the time, > an aging hippy type Canadian had developed some techniques to get around > some of the problems of working the GUI and other issues in that programming > environment, a few got together in England when they found each other and > the Blind-l list remained their connection. It has evolved a little since > but essentially that is why it is what it is. > > Merge the damn lists, the fluff will spin off and create it's own splinter > list and there will be again two blind programming lists. It happens with > Jaws with the various chat room communities and doubtless will happen with > the blind programming community. > > It doesn't seem to matter what the subject, short canes, long canes, canes > or dog guides, woodworking or handyman, ForThePeople or VIP Conduit and > isn't there another one? Braille users and non-braille users. Seems to me > the list of proprietary anxieties among the blind is endless. > > Personally I would be glad for this to end and get back to the point of one > or other, actually both lists. > > Dale leavens. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:07 AM > Subject: Re: Important: Direction > > >>I fully agree with the below post, for what it's worth. They're a bit more >>formal, windows tech support questions will probably be squashed, but then >>those are off-topic anyway. They do joke, so they're not off-topic nazi's. >> On 8/31/2011 2:20 AM, Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: >>> Hi Elf. >>> >>> As far as I can tell, and I've been on both lists for a number of years >>> the guys on that list are very much like the guys on this list. >>> >>> As has been said the tone is a little different, seems more focused on >>> programming, less general enquiries but jokes have been posted before >>> and weren't squashed, web development questions and the like have been >>> asked and answered and there are some very knowledgeable and experienced >>> people on that list. >>> >>> What does worry me a little is that no information has been posted on >>> program-l about this merge. >>> >>> As said in a previous post, I don't really mind either way, but I don't >>> see it as losing a community. The community will still be there, just in >>> a different place and with some more members. >>> >>> Just my thoughts. >>> Nick. >>> >>> >>> >>> Nick Adamson >>> Software Engineer >>> General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited >>> Bryn Brithdir, Oakdale Business Park, Blackwood, South Wales, NP12 4AA >>> Telephone: +44 (0)1495 23 6467 >>> Email: Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Website: www.generaldynamics.uk.com >>> To help reduce waste paper, please only print this email if you really >>> need to. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of inthane >>> Sent: Tuesday, 30 August 2011 19:45 >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: Re: Important: Direction >>> >>> I was on that list for a very short period of time, I left it! >>> >>> I found the individuals there at that time to be cold hearted with a >>> cold attitude >>> >>> elf >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Katherine Moss<mailto:Katherine.Moss@xxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 10:51 AM >>> Subject: RE: Important: Direction >>> >>> >>> I mean, what is the difference between the two lists that is >>> putting so much anxiety out there? >>> >>> >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of inthane >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:47 PM >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: Re: Important: Direction >>> >>> >>> fa the ells it is >>> >>> >>> and I tell you this, I don't think the programming l list has >>> resources like sena and/or myself, you close this list and/or combine >>> them with those other folks, and I'm gone, totally and completely no >>> grab bag no referrals, no damn nothing, >>> >>> >>> I... >>> >>> * Moderator, Blind Access Help. >>> * Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises >>> "own the might and majesty of an alacorn" >>> www.alacorncomputer.com >>> * proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag >>> for blind computer users and Programmers! >>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO >>> <mailto:susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:20 AM >>> >>> Subject: RE: Important: Direction >>> >>> >>> Combining these lists is a wonderful idea. >>> >>> >>> Susie Stanzel >>> >>> >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger >>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:13 PM >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: Re: Important: Direction >>> >>> >>> Well, honestly, I currently actually belong to both >>> lists, and, yes, I do sometimes cross-post if sharing information. >>> >>> >>> Stay well >>> >>> >>> Jacob Kruger >>> Blind Biker >>> Skype: BlindZA >>> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: Jeff Bishop<mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:07 PM >>> >>> Subject: Important: Direction >>> >>> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> >>> >>> A couple of people have expressed concern about >>> merging the two lists. I will review input from all list members sent >>> from now until next Monday. >>> >>> >>> Send your feedback now and I will give everyone >>> an update next Tuesday morning. >>> >>> >>> Jeff Bishop >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email and any files attached are intended for the addressee and may >>> contain information of a confidential nature. If you are not the intended >>> >>> recipient, be aware that this email was sent to you in error and you >>> should not disclose, distribute, print, copy or make other use of this >>> email or its attachments. Such actions, in fact, may be unlawful. In >>> compliance with the various Regulations and Acts, General Dynamics United >>> >>> Kingdom Limited reserves the right to monitor (and examine for viruses) >>> all emails and email attachments, both inbound and outbound. 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