Has anyone noticed?Hmmmm, yes. Perhaps accepting some help moderating the lists would be a good idea. Regards, Jim jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx jimpanes@xxxxxxxxxxxx "Everything is easy when you know how." ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:52 PM Subject: Re: Has anyone noticed? Hi, Some time I will have to post my jumbled thoughts about what I feel is on topic so the members can peek into that convoluted thing that rattles around inside my skull. I am learning all the time how to be a better moderator and I really try hard to be consistent, but I imagine that what I think I know about helping the listers stay on topic and the reality of how I am doing is probably vastly different. Sometimes I feel there should be three people running the lists I moderate. Plus, I get busy doing something else besides reading list email once in a while. :) Jim __________ Less time in line at the checkout counter, more time with your loved ones. http://snipurl.com/shopandprofit ----- Original Message ----- From: inthaneelf To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Has anyone noticed? strong feelings, smile yes, I have picked up a lot of useful info on those off topic discussions, like three TTS engines I never herd of before, which does tie into programming, though indirectly, I do consider html programming, no matter what other programmers say, so html editors are a yes in my vote list, and so are text editors, I do as well try to nudge folks myself when I notice a way too long discussion on something going, but with five lists emptying into my mail box, its a mix and match pile of 40 to 100 E mails a day average, and more on some days. I understand the rules on list, and I try to abide, but as stated above, sometimes the off topic posts of the day are actually the most useful, or at least for me! regards, inthane . For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs, and Links to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me at: http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com . to be able to view a simple programming project in several programming languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at: http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: Re: Has anyone noticed? Hi Ken, I noticed, and I struggle with what to yell at people about. I guess I figure people must be using editors for programming and it must be on topic. I'm sorry that bothers you. Does anyone else have strong feelings about this? Jim __________ Less time in line at the checkout counter, more time with your loved ones. http://snipurl.com/shopandprofit ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Perry To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Has anyone noticed? Even with all the complaining about off topic we do more talking about editors, peoples software releases, Cell phones, and things not programming related than we do programming related. It has gotten so bad that I am thinking of creating a rule that runs a spam filter that detects mails that have nothing to do with programming all though I am not sure I can catch all the garbage I just was amazed when I looked over the last weeks email from this list and saw how much really had to do with programming and how much had to do with other crap that had nothing to do with coding. I will probably get flamed but please folks think about it before you post if it has nothing to do with coding please don't post. I try to answer emails that ask coding questions and I spend more time hitting the delete button than answering. I think I missed a Java mail this last week because I deleted everything just to get rid of it. I tried to find it in my delete mail and gave up after going through to much crap that had nothing to do with coding. Oh well I have some flooring to put in today so I am not even going to be around for people to flame me. Of course if you do flame me I don't really care I will most likely add your email to the rest of the crap I have deleted this week. Ken