RE: Good resource for beginning programmers

  • From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:50:32 -0500

ILAsm is not a scripting language, it's an assembly language.
 
And of course the line is blurred which is why such discussions do nothing more 
than  artificially inflate mailing list post numbers
from time to time, *smile*.

Take care,
Sina

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:15 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Good resource for beginning programmers

I think the line has blurred though.  What do you call VB, C# J# etc.  You 
could say they are compiled but wait they are only
compiled to ILASM which is a stack based scripting language that runs under 
.net and mono.  What about python and Perl that both can
be compiled into an executable?  

Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christopher
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 6:24 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Good resource for beginning programmers

This is one of my pet peeves.

A programming language is a language that is, in the majority of the cases, 
compiled to native machine code -and- used for
application development (i.e. C, C++, D) A scripting language is a language 
that is, in the majority of the cases, interpreted -and-
used to control applications, and sometimes application development in general 
(i.e. 
Python, PHP, Ruby, AutoIT, etc.) Java was not a true programming language until 
recently when it decided to compile its bytecode
on-the-fly. C# has always been a programming language because it has always 
compiled its MSIL on-the-fly. PHP and Python are both
written in C and are both interpreted. (PHP might be written in C++.)

I refuse to call a non-compiled language a programming language, regardless of 
the language.

So, here is a simple test to see what is a programming language and what is a 
scripting language.

1. Can you write a full application in the language? If yes, then is the 
language compiled? If yes, then it is a programming
language.
2. Can you write a full application in the language? If yes, then is the 
language compiled? If no, then it is a scripting language.
3. Can you write a full application in the language? If no, then it is a 
scripting language.


On 11/17/2010 2:24 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> I am not at a stage in my learning where I can do well at explaining 
> this so, I have provided some links for you to explore:
>
> Scripting language
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scripting_language
>
> Programming language:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_language
>
> Be warned:  This will create more questions for you.  Have fun!!!
>
> Alex M
>
>
>
>
> On 11/17/10, Client Services<operations@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>> Hi-
>> What is the difference between a scripting language and a programming 
>> language?
>> So if PHP and Python are scripting languages, what programming 
>> language
are
>> they written in?
>> And why are they called scripting languages?
>>
>> H.R. Soltani
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex 
>> Midence
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:52 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Good resource for beginning programmers
>>
>> You've got scripting languages and programming languages there.
>> Javascript is client side scripting.  Websites run scripts on the 
>> visitor's machine to dynamically change themselves according to 
>> stimuli.  Php is a scripting language that does dynamic webpage 
>> changing among other things from the server side.  It is used in 
>> conjunction with database solutions like my sql and the like.  Java 
>> and C are both programming languages.  Java is a high level 
>> object-oriented language that runs on a virtual machine.  It is used 
>> to create applets and web apps for all sorts of functions.  Java is 
>> also used to create desktop  applicaitons like, for instance, 
>> Eclipse, Open Office, and things of that nature.  C is a low-level 
>> procedural programming language that is used for desktop aplications 
>> and low-level programming such as drivers, utilities and the like.
>> Certain platforms are also written in C like, for instance, Windoes 
>> is in C.  I believe Gnome was also written in C.  I went into this 
>> detail because your post indicated that you thought these were all 
>> web development languages and they are not.  Python is a scripting 
>> language that can do a lot of the same things programming languages 
>> can do and has a reputation for being easy to learn and fostering 
>> rapid development.  An applications that php could not create, IMHO 
>> is a screen reader.  Python was used to create two of them.
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>> Alex M
>>
>>
>> On 11/17/10, Client Services<operations@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>> Hi everybody-
>>> I am trying to decide where to start as far as learning programming.
>>> I decided I would focus on 1. PHP, 2. JavaScript, 3. Java, 4. C I 
>>> figured these are being used the most in web development and custom 
>>> applications. So, where does Python come in?  How would you compare
Python
>>> with Java, PHP, and C??
>>> Can anybody give me an example of what cannot be developed in PHP 
>>> which
>> can
>>> be developed in Python?
>>> Or how about Java vs Python if PHP is to lowly?  I have just heard 
>>> PHP
has
>>> limitations.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> H.R. Soltani
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