Re: Getting started learning VB6

  • From: Jacques Bosch <jfbosch@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:02:42 +0200

Hi James.
Yes, it was definitely a learning process and we got better at it as we
gained experience.



On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Homme, James <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

>  Hi Jacques,
>
> It sounds like you would want to make sure that you ask the right questions
> and know that they are answered properly. I say that without having a clue
> about how you interviewed your candidates.
>
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> *From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Jacques Bosch
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 17, 2011 1:01 AM
> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: Getting started learning VB6
>
>
>
> Hi Rick.
>
> To be fair you have to give the guy without the degree 4 years of
> experience. <smile>
> I think you guys are hearing what I am not saying. I can't even remember
> how we got hear any more. I am not promoting the idea of not aspiring to a
> formal education. I am just saying that it is possible the other way also,
> and a lot of passion and hard work.
> In the end of the day it comes down to whether somebody can get the job
> done, get it done in the right way for any given environment. And yes,
> universities can give you a good push in the right direction, however, it
> boils right down to the individual in the end.
>
> Something interesting that I experienced in the software company where I
> was part owner;
> Over a period of 2 years we had to fill several positions. We must have
> interviewed about 30 candidates in total. What really got to us where these
> people fresh out of university with their degrees that thought they were the
> big answer, and then they totally and utterly crash in the practical test
> which was a very simple program. They had to write a console application in
> their language of choice, when given a root folder, to list the nested
> folder structure below it. We did not tell them to use recursion. (Wait,
> eventually we did start telling them after they made no headway, but it
> didn't help any).
> Before we realized the power of the practical test to separate those who
> had a clue from those who did not, we appointed 2 guys with formal degrees
> from respected universities. The one guy had a good attitude, but was
> virtually useless in terms of any productivity for the next 18 months
> because he had to learn how things worked in the real world. The other guys
> was an absolute disaster. He actually had the degree and several years
> experience, and was extremely smooth and knowledgeable sounding in the
> interview, and was appointed as a senior developer, but was the worst thing
> we ever did in the company. He was clueless, had a bad attitude, but
> expected all the dues of a "senior" position.
> There were two other guys, that did not have a degree. The 1 had a 1 year
> diploma, and the other had nothing. These were the two that really shined,
> and besides me and my partner, they made the company work. They were the
> "junior" developers, but blew the other two out of the water. They ended up
> doing / redoing the "senior" guys work.
>
> Again, this is just experience and not an argument against getting a formal
> education. But if I ever hire again, I will make damn sure that I am not
> conned by the implied competence of a degree, but that the person really
> does know the first thing about software engineering in the real world.
> I'd rather take somebody that has the aptitude, and good attitude, without
> the degree, and mentor them on the job, than somebody who has a degree, and
> think they know everything, and have to teach them just as much.
> All other things being equal though, I would take the person with the
> degree. <smile>
>
> Jacques
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:51 AM, The Elf <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> *sigh*
>
> I disagree with your assessment of visual ability and past capabilities and
> choice of GUI or console programming.
>
> also that is not the only place and way to learn, I have some resources and
> a site that it's original use was for blind programmers, Jamal Mazrui has a
> site devoted to this topic, etc.
>
> my sight is the grab bag site listed under my name below, and Jamal's is:
> www.NonvisualDevelopment.org
>
> I do grant that you should go to VB.net or better C#.net so your starting
> out in a current language, and either the vb.net 2008 will work good, and
> I hear that 2010 does work with a few more difficulties.
>
> HTH,
>
>
> elf
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1,
> 26" <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:31 AM
>
>
> Subject: RE: Getting started learning VB6
>
>
> There may not be enough money to use and learn dot net.  Fortunately,
> mono can be installed and will run on Windows as well as Linux and the
> price tag is $0.00.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
> Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:28
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Getting started learning VB6
>
> No, not without knowing your visual status.  If you have memory of
> having had vision or better yet have a little useable vision your best
> bet would be to learn the language with windows forms.  If you have no
> memory of vision, then your best bet would be to learn the language
> using the console interface, and these are two completely different
> paths.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Otis D Blue
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:22
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Getting started learning VB6
>
> Hi,
>
> Could someone suggest where I can go to learn how to use VB as a
> beginner?
> I would like to get the understanding of the language and how to create
> software with it.
>
> Otis Blue
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