Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA

  • From: "Dale Leavens" <dleavens@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:31:55 -0400

There are several letter combinations which crash Eloquence and this has been known for at least a decade.


Can we please get back to business.

Dale Leavens.


----- Original Message ----- From: "prateek aggarwal" <prateekagarwal99@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 6:20 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA


black , you're fortunate, bro, a lot of people here have ended up
crashing their jaws otherwise.

cheers!
prateek agarwal.


On 10/15/10, black ares <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
ups, i've missed the word...
:(

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA


I bet you wouldn't come across this word even with a passsword
generator.  Those things produce leters and numbers in an
incomprehensible string every time I've used one.  something like
q23q1r43j.  The "word that shall not be spoken"--God, tthat's so
funny!--is too similar to a coherent word for any password generator
to come up with it.  I imagine the same goes for any other words that
crash a speech synthesizer.


Alex M


On 10/14/10, DaShiell, Jude T.  CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
<jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Actually, weird strings show up all the time when doing password
generation
programs.  Since I'm doing something with ruby now for those that have it
here's a password generator in two lines of code. Each time it's run a 14
character password is generated:

13.times { print (rand(126)+33).chr }.puts (rand(126)+33).chr



-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 15:11
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA

And there are more such words, and algorithms to produce words, that will
choke jaws, but I'm not sharing the details.  The strings are so weird
that

it is unlikely they would be typed accidently, and of course, eloquence
doesn't seem to be supported much these days as a fair number of people
know

some of the words.  I was surprised the one I heard first was put on
youtube -- a truely sinister sense of humor if you ask me, but of course
also funny. Maybe eloquence will be fixed now that the words are out.  Or
maybe it will become opensource??? As I said before, eloquence is used by
at

least 2 big name screen readers and on talks, the cell phone screen
reader,

and who knows where else.
--le

----- Original Message -----
From: "Aubertin, Gerry" <gaubertin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA


Hello There:

   For what it's worth; The Real Speak Solo Direct synthesizer that comes
with Jaws 10 and later does not crash when given the forbidden word. This
has got to be the weirdest bug I have ever come accross.

   In my humble opinion, the Real Speak voices for Jaws has got to be the
greatest synthetic speech I have ever heard.

   Also, according to the NVDA-PROJECT.ORG site there is now a human
sounding English voice for NVDA. I have not downloaded and installed it,
but

I intend to some time. The place to download from is blocked by our
company

(because it is uncatagorized) but one day I will wake up one of the
Corporate network guys and get his help to download the new NVDA voice.


Gerry Aubertin
Programmer/Analyst
Phone: (519) 271-4840 Ext. 8807

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rasmussen, Lloyd
[lras@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:13 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA

Window-Eyes 7.2 with Eloquence also locks up on "the word which shall not
be

spoken".  I have not tried entering it into a user dictionary, but this
should work.  Someone has also written an Eloquence script which perhaps
covers this case; I haven't tried it out.

Older versions of Window-Eyes had an unlocked version of SAPI 4 Eloquence,
so they should also work with NVDA.

Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Project Engineer
National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped
Library of Congress   202-707-0535
http://www.loc.gov/nls
The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
the Library of Congress, NLS.


-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:26 AM
To: Rasmussen, Lloyd; programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA

Hi -- to guard against this word, I added an entry for the word in the
jaws

default dictionary.  It is possible to do this without locking up if you
are

careful and don't do a sayline as you are typing the entry.  Go to the
dictionary manager with insert+d, type control+shift+d to get to the
global

dictionary, press the add button and follow the prompts.  I put there an
entry with the word as the dictionary and the replacement string as a jaws
sound effect followed by the offending word broken into syllables.
This completely solves the problem -- well, there is one catch: if you
enter

the dictionary and arrow down through the entries, jaws will try to speak
the word untranslated, so be sure to avoid doing this without changing
synthesizers in jaws first.

I am running jaws 11.0.1461 on XP pro.

You should avoid putting the word in emails for the sake of those who
haven't gotten jaws shielded from it.

Again, the problem is not jaws, it is eloquence.  In fact, I run talks
with

eloquence on my cell phone, and talks locks up on that word to the point
that I need to reboot the phone to get back to a workable state.

Happy hacking.
--le

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