There are several letter combinations which crash Eloquence and this has been known for at least a decade.
Can we please get back to business. Dale Leavens.----- Original Message ----- From: "prateek aggarwal" <prateekagarwal99@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 6:20 AM Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA black , you're fortunate, bro, a lot of people here have ended up crashing their jaws otherwise. cheers! prateek agarwal. On 10/15/10, black ares <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
ups, i've missed the word... :( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA I bet you wouldn't come across this word even with a passsword generator. Those things produce leters and numbers in an incomprehensible string every time I've used one. something like q23q1r43j. The "word that shall not be spoken"--God, tthat's so funny!--is too similar to a coherent word for any password generator to come up with it. I imagine the same goes for any other words that crash a speech synthesizer. Alex M On 10/14/10, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx> wrote:Actually, weird strings show up all the time when doing password generation programs. Since I'm doing something with ruby now for those that have ithere's a password generator in two lines of code. Each time it's run a 14character password is generated: 13.times { print (rand(126)+33).chr }.puts (rand(126)+33).chr -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 15:11 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA And there are more such words, and algorithms to produce words, that will choke jaws, but I'm not sharing the details. The strings are so weird that it is unlikely they would be typed accidently, and of course, eloquence doesn't seem to be supported much these days as a fair number of people know some of the words. I was surprised the one I heard first was put on youtube -- a truely sinister sense of humor if you ask me, but of course also funny. Maybe eloquence will be fixed now that the words are out. Or maybe it will become opensource??? As I said before, eloquence is used by at least 2 big name screen readers and on talks, the cell phone screen reader, and who knows where else. --le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aubertin, Gerry" <gaubertin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: RE: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA Hello There: For what it's worth; The Real Speak Solo Direct synthesizer that comes with Jaws 10 and later does not crash when given the forbidden word. This has got to be the weirdest bug I have ever come accross. In my humble opinion, the Real Speak voices for Jaws has got to be the greatest synthetic speech I have ever heard. Also, according to the NVDA-PROJECT.ORG site there is now a human sounding English voice for NVDA. I have not downloaded and installed it, but I intend to some time. The place to download from is blocked by our company (because it is uncatagorized) but one day I will wake up one of the Corporate network guys and get his help to download the new NVDA voice. Gerry Aubertin Programmer/Analyst Phone: (519) 271-4840 Ext. 8807 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE - The contents of this message and the attachments are confidential and are for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s).If you are not an intended recipient, please immediately delete it withoutreading it and without further distribution or disclosure. Any further distribution of this message to others is subject to this ConfidentialityNotice and/or any confidentiality agreement or non-disclosure agreement ineffect that covers the information contained in the message and any attachments. ________________________________________ From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rasmussen, Lloyd [lras@xxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:13 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA Window-Eyes 7.2 with Eloquence also locks up on "the word which shall not be spoken". I have not tried entering it into a user dictionary, but this should work. Someone has also written an Eloquence script which perhaps covers this case; I haven't tried it out.Older versions of Window-Eyes had an unlocked version of SAPI 4 Eloquence,so they should also work with NVDA. Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Project Engineer National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped Library of Congress 202-707-0535 http://www.loc.gov/nls The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of the Library of Congress, NLS. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:26 AM To: Rasmussen, Lloyd; programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA Hi -- to guard against this word, I added an entry for the word in the jaws default dictionary. It is possible to do this without locking up if you are careful and don't do a sayline as you are typing the entry. Go to the dictionary manager with insert+d, type control+shift+d to get to the global dictionary, press the add button and follow the prompts. I put there anentry with the word as the dictionary and the replacement string as a jawssound effect followed by the offending word broken into syllables. This completely solves the problem -- well, there is one catch: if you enter the dictionary and arrow down through the entries, jaws will try to speak the word untranslated, so be sure to avoid doing this without changing synthesizers in jaws first. I am running jaws 11.0.1461 on XP pro. You should avoid putting the word in emails for the sake of those who haven't gotten jaws shielded from it. Again, the problem is not jaws, it is eloquence. In fact, I run talks with eloquence on my cell phone, and talks locks up on that word to the point that I need to reboot the phone to get back to a workable state. 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