Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA

  • From: "qubit" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:10:53 -0500

And there are more such words, and algorithms to produce words, that will 
choke jaws, but I'm not sharing the details.  The strings are so weird that 
it is unlikely they would be typed accidently, and of course, eloquence 
doesn't seem to be supported much these days as a fair number of people know 
some of the words.  I was surprised the one I heard first was put on 
youtube -- a truely sinister sense of humor if you ask me, but of course 
also funny. Maybe eloquence will be fixed now that the words are out.  Or 
maybe it will become opensource??? As I said before, eloquence is used by at 
least 2 big name screen readers and on talks, the cell phone screen reader, 
and who knows where else.
--le

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aubertin, Gerry" <gaubertin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA


Hello There:

   For what it's worth; The Real Speak Solo Direct synthesizer that comes 
with Jaws 10 and later does not crash when given the forbidden word. This 
has got to be the weirdest bug I have ever come accross.

   In my humble opinion, the Real Speak voices for Jaws has got to be the 
greatest synthetic speech I have ever heard.

   Also, according to the NVDA-PROJECT.ORG site there is now a human 
sounding English voice for NVDA. I have not downloaded and installed it, but 
I intend to some time. The place to download from is blocked by our company 
(because it is uncatagorized) but one day I will wake up one of the 
Corporate network guys and get his help to download the new NVDA voice.


Gerry Aubertin
Programmer/Analyst
Phone: (519) 271-4840 Ext. 8807

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rasmussen, Lloyd 
[lras@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:13 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA

Window-Eyes 7.2 with Eloquence also locks up on "the word which shall not be 
spoken".  I have not tried entering it into a user dictionary, but this 
should work.  Someone has also written an Eloquence script which perhaps 
covers this case; I haven't tried it out.

Older versions of Window-Eyes had an unlocked version of SAPI 4 Eloquence, 
so they should also work with NVDA.

Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Project Engineer
National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped
Library of Congress   202-707-0535
http://www.loc.gov/nls
The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of 
the Library of Congress, NLS.


-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:26 AM
To: Rasmussen, Lloyd; programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA

Hi -- to guard against this word, I added an entry for the word in the jaws 
default dictionary.  It is possible to do this without locking up if you are 
careful and don't do a sayline as you are typing the entry.  Go to the 
dictionary manager with insert+d, type control+shift+d to get to the global 
dictionary, press the add button and follow the prompts.  I put there an 
entry with the word as the dictionary and the replacement string as a jaws 
sound effect followed by the offending word broken into syllables.
This completely solves the problem -- well, there is one catch: if you enter 
the dictionary and arrow down through the entries, jaws will try to speak 
the word untranslated, so be sure to avoid doing this without changing 
synthesizers in jaws first.

I am running jaws 11.0.1461 on XP pro.

You should avoid putting the word in emails for the sake of those who 
haven't gotten jaws shielded from it.

Again, the problem is not jaws, it is eloquence.  In fact, I run talks with 
eloquence on my cell phone, and talks locks up on that word to the point 
that I need to reboot the phone to get back to a workable state.

Happy hacking.
--le

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