Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting Introduction
- From: "Bob J." <rjustice004@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:54:57 -0700
Promise?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario Percinic" <mario.percinic@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
Introduction
Well i told you what i think about you and your way of thinking in the
message above so from me no mor comments on none of your posts.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
Introduction
>I already have that book. Have you read it?
> Do you think that covers all the things that the guys that made Eloquence,
> AT&T Natural Voices, DEC Talk know, in order to be able to make a
> synthesizer at least as good as those?
>
> You got a problem man. I told that this information is good to have, and I
> told that it would require much more information than that book you are
> talking about, in order to be able to create a real good synthesizer.
> Don't you agree? Or you think that most blind programmers are lazy enough
> and don't want to read just that book for beeing able to create a
> synthesizer?
>
> I know another good programmer that might still be a member of this list,
> which is much more interested in this subject than me and who knows much
> more than me about synthesizers, and he would have already made one until
> now if that book would have been enough.
>
> Octavian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mario Percinic" <mario.percinic@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:27 AM
> Subject: RE: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
> Introduction
>
>
>> Lol man you are really starting to be funny. Again for who knows how many
>> times you are concluding something without complete imformation.
>> So next time before you start making conclusions, , checkout google and
>> the
>> book called "MAPI,SAPI and TAPI Developer's Guide"
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian
>> Rasnita
>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:51 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
>> Introduction
>>
>> That information, which I think it can also be found on Microsoft's site,
>> is
>>
>> good to have, but it would be also helpful to have as much information
>> about
>>
>> creating a voice synthesizer.
>>
>> Creating a SAPI voice talks about the SAPI standard, but it would be also
>> important to know the ways of creating synthesizers, how to compose the
>> sounds, or how to join phonems, how to adjust the pitch, tone, how to
>> parse
>> the text for changing the sound parameters based on the grammar, and so
>> on.
>>
>>
>> Octavian
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mario Percinic" <mario.percinic@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:57 AM
>> Subject: RE: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
>> Introduction
>>
>>
>>> Sure my friend, let me just brows thru my very big archive of ebooks and
>>> i'll send it to you. Don't worry it will be today :)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of inthaneelf
>>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 2:14 AM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
>>> Introduction
>>>
>>> Mario, in your last message, you said "I have the documentation about
>>> SAPI
>>> synths and how to make them, I can send you the book about it."
>>>
>>> would you send me that book/information please, there have been folks
>>> looking for information like that out here, smile.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> inthane
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mario Percinic" <mario.percinic@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
>>> Introduction
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well since you brought up some very good questions,let me break this
>>>> message into logical pieces and give you the answers.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:26 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
>>>> Introduction
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Yes, of course I am lazy. So? Is this a problem? :-)"
>>>>>
>>>> No ofcourse not, everyone chooses its own way. I was just stating how
>>>> the situation in general works with blind popularity, no matter in
>>>> what country you are. Ok ofcourse, in smaller countrys like Romania or
>>>> Croatia in my case, the situation is harder but than the person has to
>>>> see if the solution can be adapted for your language considering the
>>>> best results, financial situation, amount of people who work on the
>>>> project, timing, knoledge etc.
>>>>
>>>>> "I don't think I can build a software synthesizer at least as good as
>>>>> US Eloquence by just reading the documentation and making research,
>>>>> without knowing C/C++."
>>>>>
>>>> Correct, but i never said that. When i said that you can checkout
>>>> espeak, i thought that you will find the documentation and the web
>>>> page considering the thinks you did in the past. In order to make
>>>> better improvements for espeak you really don't need to know c plus
>>>> plus, ok if you know it better for you, but still you can see what
>>>> sounds wrong and what you can do to make it sound better or to
>>>> pronounce different characters or words, and also make different
>>>> voices which really can sound completely different.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "There are more romanian synthesizers, but I don't like any of them,
>>>>> and they all are made by software companies that have more good
>>> programmers.
>>>>> One of them sounds pretty good but is very slow responsive, another
>>>>> one sounds like a robot and it doesn't work at a higher rate, another
>>>>> one sounds very very bad (the one which is made by the german company
>>>>> Baum, that company that made Gnopernicus screen reader for Linux, and
>>>>> Virgo screen reader for Windows)."
>>>>>
>>>> If some company has more developers employed that doesn't need to mean
>>>> anything. In my case, software solutions which were made by an
>>>> individual showed up as better because the developer really showed
>>>> more interest that his aplication works with all screen readers,
>>> languages, protocols etc.
>>>> I worked on almost all software synth development exept Check
>>>> wintalker voice which is also have adapted for Croatian language.
>>>> I told you to try and join espeak development team for Romanian mainly
>>>> because espeak is right now used under windows as a sapi 5, as a stand
>>>> alone portable version in windows screen reader called nvda, and orca
>>>> for linux and also it can work with mac. So lots of platforms are
>>>> supported, just because its author is very open minded and accepts
>>>> lots of suggestion as long as the person knows language rules and
>>>> something about computer usage.
>>>> If you need more info about speech synths you can contact me privately
>>>> and i'll write you more about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Even if I would know C/C++, I don't think that it would be easy
>>>>> enough to create a better synthesizer than US Eloquence.
>>>>> And by the way, where can we find documentation about how to create a
>>>>> synthesizer at least as good and fast as Eloquence?
>>>>> I am asking this, because you seem to be very well informed..."
>>>>>
>>>> I have the documentation about sapi synths and how to make them, i can
>>>> send you the book about it. Eloquence as far as i'm aware came out
>>>> from IBM's via voice which became eloquence at the later time.
>>>> Eloquence belongs to the group of formant speech synthesizers and that
>>>> explains one of the sides why is it so responsive.
>>>> Mario
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