Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting Introduction

  • From: "Mario Percinic" <mario.percinic@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:38:06 +0200

Well, someone who talks like crap, and who thinks that htis or that is crap, doesn't even have the potential to even try to fix something. And you know why? Because your brain has crappy bad sectors which unfortunatlly can't be fixed. Windoweyes is crap, Links is crap, this is crap, that is crap ... come on man do you hear your self??? Grow up man, kinder garden is long ago away from you, at leest i think its suppose to be like that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>

To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting Introduction


But what are you suggesting? To make just a few settings to a crappy synthesizer like espeak for creating one that sounds very well?

Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario Percinic" <mario.percinic@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting Introduction


Rofl, i think that i'll stop replying to your messages. In none of the posts
i never mentioned to you to make your own synth, but ... Never mind, the
rest of the listers got it what i wanted to say.

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:15 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
Introduction

Oh yes I know the story of Eloquence, and ViaVoice is one the synthesizers I

liked that I could use under Linux.

I also have WinTalker synthesizer for romanian installed, but as I told, I
don't like it because it sounds very robotic.
Those who started using a computer by using WinTalker like it, but I don't.

I like how it sounds the synthesizer that can be bought from
www.expressivo.com, however it is pretty slow responsive, and the desktop
program Expressivo doesn't create a sound as clear as the one that can be
tested on that web site.
It is not open source, but this is less relevant, because I want to use a
better synth, not to create my own.

Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario Percinic" <mario.percinic@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
Introduction


Well since you brought up some very good questions,let me break this
message into logical pieces and give you the answers.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
Introduction


"Yes, of course I am lazy. So? Is this a problem? :-)"

No ofcourse not, everyone chooses its own way. I was just stating how the
situation in general works with blind popularity, no matter in what
country you are. Ok ofcourse, in smaller countrys like Romania or Croatia in my case, the situation is harder but than the person has to see if the
solution can be adapted for your language considering the best results,
financial situation, amount of people who work on the project, timing,
knoledge etc.

"I don't think I can build a software synthesizer at least as good as US Eloquence by just reading the documentation and making research, without
knowing C/C++."

Correct, but i never said that. When i said that you can checkout espeak,

i thought that you will find the documentation and the web page
considering the thinks you did in the past. In order to make better
improvements for espeak you really don't need to know c plus plus, ok if
you know it better for you, but still you can see what sounds wrong and
what you can do to make it sound better or to pronounce different
characters or words, and also make different voices which really can sound

completely different.


"There are more romanian synthesizers, but I don't like any of them, and they all are made by software companies that have more good programmers.
One of them sounds pretty good but is very slow responsive, another one
sounds like a robot and it doesn't work at a higher rate, another one
sounds very very bad (the one which is made by the german company Baum,
that company that made Gnopernicus screen reader for Linux, and Virgo
screen reader for Windows)."

If some company has more developers employed that doesn't need to mean
anything. In my case, software solutions which were made by an individual showed up as better because the developer really showed more interest that

his aplication works with all screen readers, languages, protocols etc.
I worked on almost all software synth development exept Check wintalker
voice which is also have adapted for Croatian language.
I told you to try and join espeak development team for Romanian mainly
because espeak is right now used under windows as a sapi 5, as a stand
alone portable version in windows screen reader called nvda, and orca for
linux and also it can work with mac. So lots of platforms are supported,
just because its author is very open minded and accepts lots of suggestion

as long as the person knows language rules and something about computer
usage.
If you need more info about speech synths you can contact me privately and

i'll write you more about it.


"Even if I would know C/C++, I don't think that it would be easy enough
to create a better synthesizer than US Eloquence.
And by the way, where can we find documentation about how to create a
synthesizer at least as good and fast as Eloquence?
I am asking this, because you seem to be very well informed..."

I have the documentation about sapi synths and how to make them, i can
send you the book about it. Eloquence as far as i'm aware came out from
IBM's via voice which became eloquence at the later time. Eloquence
belongs to the group of formant speech synthesizers and that explains one
of the sides why is it so responsive.
Mario
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