Re: Frames question

  • From: "Bryan Garaventa" <bgaraventa11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:57:45 -0800

No, not if the href has the url, and the target attribute matches the frame's Name attribute.
If you have something complex, where the href value changes or is changed dynamically, such as when using context sensitive menus, you can use JavaScript to simply change the href value dynamically, so you can avoid the onclick all together. Luckily frames are pretty forgiving.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: Frames question


Is that "return false" from the onClick event handler really required?
It is very annoying if a user wants to open the new page in a new window by clicking Shift+Enter but can't do that because the <a> element doesn't have a valid href element or if the onClick event returns false. 

Thanks for the code.

Octavian
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Garaventa" <bgaraventa11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: Frames question



Sure, just make two files using the info below to see it work.

File name: Test.html
<html><body>

<script type="text/javascript">

function update() {

document.getElementById('NewContent').innerHTML = NewStuff;

}

</script>

<div>

<a

onclick="document.frames['testFrm'].location.href='MyContent.html';return(false);"

href=#>Test Link</a>

</div>

<div id="NewContent"></div>

<iframe id=testFrm name=testFrm src=# width=0 height=0
style="display:none;visibility:hidden;"></iframe>

</body></html>


Second file name: MyContent.html
<html><body>

<div id="DynamicContent">

This is a test...

</div>

<script type="text/javascript">

parent.NewStuff = document.getElementById('DynamicContent').innerHTML;

parent.update();

</script>

</body></html>
----- Original Message ----- From: "D!J!X!" <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:02 PM
Subject: RE: Frames question



Sounds like something worth persuing, could you give me some more info on
this method or somewhere I can read up on it? I'll google and see what I
can
find.

Thanks, D!J!X!


-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bryan
Garaventa
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:58 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Frames question

I'm coming into this thread somewhat late, but hidden frames can be used
to
good effect for this purpose without appearing clunky.

The problem with strictly JavaScript methods, such as using the XMLHttp
ActiveX to fetch content within web pages, is that you sometimes get
different and unintended behavior on different browsers and OS's.

You can do the same using a hidden frame by sending your variables into
the
url of the src of a hidden iframe, then use JavaScript to read the results and display them in a div on the page. This way, the page doesn't refresh, 
and you keep all other page components visible.

Hope this helps,

Bryan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Hernandez" <blindmagik@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:15 AM
Subject: RE: Frames question



OH, my bad.  I thought the idea was to keep the content there, but show
new
content when a link in IE. A nav bar was clicked.  With PHP this would
envolve a reload of the entire page.

If you just want to change the page content dynamicly with out
refresh/reload, javascript or other client side technologies are
required.
I'm sorry if I understood the question wrong.


Best,

Juan

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian
Rasnita
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:41 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Frames question

I don't understand how you can do this with PHP or any other server side
scripting language. Can you explain?

Please tell us how you can click on a link and then display some content
in
the same page without reloading the whole page if you don't use frames or 
a
client side language like Javascript.

Thanks.

Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Hernandez" <blindmagik@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: Frames question



Nope, no need for java script and no frames, frames are bad.

Check out php and php includes.

Take care.

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian

Rasnita

Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:14 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Frames question

What you want is not possible without frames or Javascript.
I understand that you want the navigation links to remain displayed
after
clicking on them, so either the body content shows in a frame, or a
Javascript code makes an HTTP request to the server, gets the data and
displays it in the current page.

It is very nice for the sighted this way, but this is its only
advantage.

Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "D!J!X!" <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:14 PM
Subject: RE: Frames question



Well I've got a coldfusion way of getting the menu from a single file,
so

no

problem there; the thing is I guess they want the navigation menu
visible

at
all times. Kind of click that Item and the body frame would display the 
data, click another item, same thing...all that while the navigation
menu

is

still displayed.

D!J!X!


 _____

From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler
Littlefield
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:37 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Frames question
it really depends on what your using. Frames are still in use, though I 
personally recommend just including your menu via:
<?php include "menu.php"; ?>
Then you edit menu.php (which can just be html), and the menu changes
everywhere.
----- Original Message ----- From: D!J!X! <mailto:megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: BlindProgramming <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 3:32 PM
Subject: Frames question

Hello guys, I'm hoping that someone who is up to date in the web sites

trend
can answer. Are frames still being used, or have they been replaced by 
something else? I ask because this site I'm building has a fancy

navigation

menu which is to remain on the top of the site while the body changes,
I
know back when I worked at Nasa we would all say "o of course use
frames"
which is fine for inside apps and stuff, but this is more of a
comercial

web

site... Any info appreciated. Or if there's a more eligant/modern way
of
applying the navigation menu and changing content.

Thanks, D!J!X!



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