Thanks Inthane.I'm pretty sure that Sina and I can get it worked out but your assistance making a second tar ball will still be appreciated as, in case we run into some problems we'll have a back out system built up.
Thanks, cdh On 06/10/2010 06:58 PM, The Elf wrote:
some of this is in fact my doing, I apologize if my sense of urgency does not match other folks, and I did things as I had time for them, but I did relay information as it became apparent to me, and was trying to fix it with assistance from other parties since your wife Chris, was kind enough to attempt to get them to me, and did.I don't know how to open and/or convert them from the Mac format to one usable on a pc.as to my sense of timing, or lack of one it seems to some folks opinions, I don't walk to another persons drum beat, if that ticks folks off with me, then so be it! I walk to my own drum beat and no one else's!I am still willing to post the files, and will do it in both formats as soon as I have them!then anyone else who wants them can download and host it as well, either through my grab bag site, or my ftp site, just let me know.the elf proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises Specialists in customized computers and peripherals - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hofstader" <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:56 PM Subject: Re: FLOS manualsHi,First, I fucked up when I led people to believe that this was an FSF/GNU project. Most of the manuals are about proprietary systems and, therefore, FSF/GNU cannot endorse them by working to get them any sort of wider distribution.I should not have included reference to Deborah or FSF in any way but I was pretty new to being a GNU full time employee and I didn't know all of the rules. To make things worse, I hadn't looked at the list of items that Floss distributes so I had no idea if they were free software oriented or a more general This was a mistake, not waiting for Adam from Floss Manuals to provide the tar ball that he promised before Susan jumped in to try to get it done.Also, Susan never got a note from Mr. Elf telling her that there was a problem which we could have addressed more than a month ago. If we don't know thereis a problem, we won't try to fix it.Now that our 508/255 refresh comments are pretty much done (we have a few grammar and paragraph flow problems), I can actually talk to you without any sense of impropriety. I wouldn't want to hear that you got in trouble for working with FSF/GNU people who were working on making suggestions about regulations that your agency is responsible for enforcing. I've seen lots of others get in trouble for questionable communications between an advocacy and software development group like us and a regulator like you.Also, I will *never* pre-announce *anything* without the knowledge that what is being announced has already happened as problems regarding projects that require a lot of volunteers can get erratic.You also complained recently that GNU does not have an accessibility web page. We're doing some research on various licenses so we are only linking to free software. I think you will like how we are doing it as it is wiki based.If Elf posted to the blind programmer list about the weird file format I didn't see that message. With over 500 emails per day, I can't do too much more than skim through the mailing list posts.I expected it will be a .tar.gz available for ftp download very soon.As for "first impressions" I think the rave reviews that the vinux distro have caused anyone looking for the manuals to have forgotten about the books and, instead, are enjoying the bits.To recap:1. I should never have let FSF be mentioned in my original announcement.2. I should have answered all questions regarding the Floss project by refering people to Adam and washed my hands of the affair. Instead, I asked Susan to work on it and send the information to the Elf. She did the best she could and didn't know enough about some of the tools on the command line to succeed in the task.I expect it will be available for download sometime tomorrow. Happy Hacking, cdh On 06/10/2010 03:39 PM, Jamal Mazrui wrote:Chris,Unfortunately, this has become frustrating, and it is affecting my motivation to get involved in FSF projects. Below is the message you posted at the end of March indicating an FSF-related effort you were undertaking to make all available Floss manuals easily accessible to blind people -- with distribution help from Elf and me after we got the collection. Multiple list members responded to your post, expressing strong interest in such documentation.Every few weeks, after hearing nothing about follow up, I have inquired about the status. Almost every time you have said that you forgot about it, and indicated that your wife will take the next step. Although you have your own web space on DreamHost, and other free services exist for sharing a large archive, the manuals were apparently individually sent to Inthane as about 40 email attachments in a format he could not open.While other accessibility efforts are surely underway, this is the first impression many of us are getting about the FSF commitment to accessibility. Isn't it time to take charge of this matter yourself, and ensure delivery on an offer that was made to our community?Jamal -- Original Message -- From: Chris Hofstader <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:53:15 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Floss manuals for people with vision impairment Hi,Deborah, the FSF membership coordinator, and I sent an email to the person in charge of Floss Manuals, the company that published the command line tutorial I mentioned earlier. Adam says that almost all of their books use GPL as their license and that he can provide their entire catalogue in PDF rolled up into abig .tar file. His note is below.This is all happening pretty fast so I haven't had the chance to take a look at the rest of the books they have but I'd bet that some will interest some of you.If Jamal or Elf want, they can take the entire .tar open it up and put as much as they like on their sites. If PDF needs to be converted to text, I'm surethat won't be too hard. Begin forwarded message:From: adam hyde <adam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>hey Chris and Deborah, All books from FLOSS Manuals are available under a free license andyouare welcome to use them as you choose for free as long as the same license is maintained (we use the GPL for all books except 3 or 4whichare either CC-BY-SA or FDL). We can provide PDF, plain html (each book on one page) or odt. Probably for us the PDF is the easiest toprovide.Here is an example of a PDF from us: <http://en.flossmanuals.net/Ardour/FM_22Mar10.pdf> we can provide you with a tar of all the manuals in pdf if you like... adam Founder FLOSS Manuals German mobile : + 49 177 4935122 Email : adam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx irc: irc.freenode.net #flossmanuals "Free manuals for free software" <http://www.flossmanuals.net/about>On Thu, 10 Jun 2010, Jamal Mazrui wrote:Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:45:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: FLOS manualsElf reported to the list that the 40 or so files were in a Macintosh .WebSite format that he could not access. He was going to search for a tool that would enable him to open the files, but no one knew of a Windows-based one that could definately do the job.Can't you post the collection in a zip archive somewhere (DreamHost, SendSpace, or whatever)?Jamal On Thu, 10 Jun 2010, Chris Hofstader wrote:Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:50:59 -0400 From: Chris Hofstader <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: FLOS manuals I think Susan did a handoff to Mr. Elf a couple of weeks ago.I've been covered in tar and feathers volunteering on the clean-up in Alabama all week so this effort hasn't even crossed my mind in the slightest.cdhPS: Please call me to discuss the things I left on your voice mail last week.On 06/10/2010 11:13 AM, Jamal Mazrui wrote:Can we get a status update on making an accessible collection of these available?Jamal __________View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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