Re: EdSharp and snippets
- From: "Mike Terry" <miketerry-lists@xxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:54:21 -0400
Jamal,
You rock! The snippet support you added to the ctrl+alt+= is exactly what I
want! Intelisense, as I understand the concept, is awful for the blind. I
might be typing "html" and that's what I want or I might type it and then want
a full 10-15 lines of html code. The way you've outlined will let me have
exactly what I want.
Such service. :)
I'll download and install it in the morning. Did I read I can install over
earlier versions of EdSharp or do I need to uninstall/install?
As soon as I've had a chance to build up my php snippets and give them a wirl,
I'll give you feed back.
Mike
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On 1/18/2008 at 12:19 PM Jamal Mazrui wrote:
>Mike and others,
>At this point, EdSharp does not include an IntelliSense type of feature,
>whereby one can complete the syntax of a coding element by picking from a
>list. Based on thisdiscussion, however, I have enhanced the Replace
>Tokens command, Control+Shift+Equals in the January 18 release. As
>before, if text is selected,
>EdSharp looks for tokens within it and replaces them. a token is defined
>in the [Tokens] section of the configuration file, e.g., via the Manual
>Options command, Alt+Shift+M. If no text is selected when pressing
>Control+Shift+Equals, EdSharp now examines the chunk of text at the cursor
>-- a sequence of characters bounded by white space. If the cursor is
>immediately following a word, the chunk is considered to be that word.
>
>If the chunk starts with a % sign, EdSharp assumes it is a token, and
>tries to look up its definition in EdSharp.ini. If there is no percent
>sign at the beginning, EdSharp assumes the chunk refers to a snippet
>file in the directory of the current compiler (which you can confirm
>with Alt+0). You do not have to type the complete name of the snippet
>file before pressing Control+Shift+Equals. If there is more than one
>match, EdSharp prompts with a list to pick from.
>
>For example, suppose the current compiler is HTML Tidy. Typing the word
>"form" and pressing Control+Shift+Equals will invoke the snippet file
>named form.txt. On the other hand, the word "frame" will produce a
>listbox, containing the frame and frameset snippets.
>
>The word typed may actually be a regular expression, so ".*frame" will
>produce a list that also contains the "iframe" snippet.
>
>I am open to tweaking this functionality further, and hope it opens up
>new possibilities.
>
>Jamal
>On Thu, 17 Jan
>2008, Mike Terry wrote:
>
>> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:21:10 -0400
>> From: Mike Terry <miketerry-lists@xxxxxxx>
>> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: EdSharp and snippets
>>
>>
>> Jamal,
>>
>> I just tried the Ctrl+J within the snippets list and it does improve the
>task of selecting a snippet in a long list of them.
>>
>> I took 30 seconds to read the documentation on tokens and am not sure
>that's quite what I was trying to describe. In other ides I've tried to
>use, it was refered to code completion or expansion. In the example I
>gave, the user would press 5 keys to substitute the full snippet. So I'd
>be typing the letter "h", "t", "m", "l", and then press a hot key. It's
>really just a desire for speed when pounding out code. The less time it
>takes to perform the text replacement, the less difficulty you have
>staying in the mental zone.
>>
>> I don't think I've taken enough time to impress upon you how good
>EdSharp is in my opinion. I've looked at many text editors and script
>language ides; however, they all suffer when it comes to usability for
>someone who is blind. At one point I stopped my search for a
>ruby/python/php editor/ide. I found EdSharp and was quite happy; however,
>after several days of intense coding, I found my self googling again,
>because snippets were getting in the way of my thought process. Even
>though I found other editors with better support in this area, after 20-30
>minutes I found myself uninstalling and moving on. EdSharp is the only
>one I've kept going back to.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
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>>
>> On 1/17/2008 at 12:54 PM Jamal Mazrui wrote:
>>
>> >I appreciate the feedback, Mike.
>> >
>> >Note that you can use Control+J to jump to an item in a list-based
>> >dialog, specifying any text within the name of the item -- not just the
>> >initial letters. You can press Alt+J to jump again. That item will
>have
>> >focus the next time you enter the same dialog, e.g., the one for
>choosing
>> >a snippet to invoke.
>> >
>> >I think the Replace Tokens command, Control+Shift+Equals, is close to
>> >what you describe. I could probably tweak its functionality
>> >without a lot of work. If it does not operate quite how you would
>> >want, let me know what would help.
>> >
>> >Jamal
>> >ike modify itOn Thu, 17 Jan 2008, Mike
>> >Terry wrote:
>> >
>> >> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:25:46 -0400
>> >> From: Mike Terry <miketerry-lists@xxxxxxx>
>> >> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject: EdSharp and snippets
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jamal,
>> >>
>> >> I remember reading a post you made a while back in which you explained
>> >that the alt+v snippets list did not support incremental searching
>because
>> >of the way the control in the .net framework operates.
>> >>
>> >> have you considered an alternate form of snippet use. Several editors
>> >I've looked at will use the word under or immediately to the left of the
>> >caret to identify the snippet to expand. This seems much more natural
>to
>> >me. For example, I could start a new document, type "html" and press a
>> >hot key to have it replace the "html" with a full template with proper
>> >head and document type declaration. I would of course like the dialog
>> >prompting and all other facets of snippets, provided in EdSharp.
>> >>
>> >> If I were working with an unfamiliar list of snippets, then alt+v
>would
>> >allow me to easily see what snippets are currently available and choose
>> >one. However, once I became familiar with the builtin or my own snippet
>> >names, it would be much faster to just type the snippet name, press a
>key,
>> >and fill in any popup dialog.
>> >>
>> >> Just a suggestion/wish.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for a great editor.
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >> P.S. I don't think I know c# nearly well enough to add this feature
>> >myself.
>> >>
>> >>
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