Re: Cygwin, JAWS and NVDA

  • From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:12:47 -0600

Hi, Jim,

You asked for info on Emacs (no pun intended).  Here you go:

http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/index.html


There's a version on single page html but it takes years to load.
It's very extensive.

Regards,
Alex M
On 2/10/11, Homme, James <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Oyvind,
> Is there somewhere I can read about how Cygwin can help me? I'm almost
> totally a Windows and DOS user, but I sometimes need to go out onto a Linux
> server and do some maintenance. And if Emacs can help, too, where do I read
> about that?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Homme,
> Usability Services,
> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 11:27 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Cygwin, JAWS and NVDA
>
> Yes. Emacs runs in Cygwin.
> To get it to work nicely add the following to Cygwin.bat:
>
> Set CYGWIN=tty
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
> Sent: 10. februar 2011 12:57
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Cygwin, JAWS and NVDA
>
> Hi,
> Are you saying that Emacs runs in Cygwin?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Homme,
> Usability Services,
> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
> Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility
> here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:53 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Cygwin, JAWS and NVDA
>
> I can reproduce it but I'm not sure how to explain it.
> I tried Putty again just for fun but it's even worse than the Windows
> Console.
> Cursor tracking is horrible and because of that Putty is not usable.
>
> I also see the problem you explain but I have cursor tracking issues as well
> when using the Windows Console.
> But as I said not as bad as in Putty.
> This problem only occurs when I remote login to a Linux box from the Windows
> Console using the OpenSSH package (Cygwin).
>
> When I use the console locally with Emacs, gcc and general command-line use
> all is well.
>
> So what happens to cursor tracking after sshing into a Linux machine is
> beyond me.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of Ken Perry
> [whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 19:02
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Cygwin, JAWS and NVDA
>
> Actually the problem is jaws tried to use the new console api in windows 7
> and broke everything.  They have fixed some of the problem and I can at
> least use cigwin with 11 and 12 without screaming now.  The only problem I
> have is when deleting characters it repeats the whole line on each
> character.  I will say though FS listened to me when I told them exactly
> what was wrong they fixed the problem with the console I had to have fixed
> so I could use it.  If you can reproduce the problem and explain it to them
> they will fix it.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 12:04 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Cygwin, JAWS and NVDA
>
> Cygwin is actually using the Windows Console (cmd.exe) by default.
> So, unfortunately JAWS does not work optimally with the Windows Console any
> more.
> However it used to work great - I started seeing this problem in JAWS 10.
> NVDA works great with the Console whether I'm working locally or ssh into a
> remote Linux box.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: 9. februar 2011 17:32
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Cygwin, JAWS and NVDA
>
> Hi.
>
> I use open SSH with Supernova with out any problems.
> As far as I know SN just treats the ssh session as a normal console
> application. Is there a way in jaws to use the set of scripts for cmd.exe.
> This assumes that jaws works OK with normal console applications.
>
> Hth.
> Nick.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode
> Sent: 09 February 2011 16:22
> To: Programming Blind
> Subject: Cygwin, JAWS and NVDA
>
> Hi all:
>
> I use Cygwin for C development on Windows.
> I also use OpenSSH on Cygwin to access Linux/UNIX machines from Windows.
>
> And the ssh part gives me a lot of headache.
> JAWS doesn't handle the console correctly when moving line by line or
> character by character.
> Some times it works but very often JAWS speaks the previous character and
> sometimes not speaks the character at all.
> Maybe I'm moving to fast?
>
> However NVDA handles the console very well.
>
> So, can anyone help me out creating a JAWS script to work around this?
> Or recommend a different ssh client?
>
> Another solution could be to silence JAWS when the console has focus (I know
> how to do this), but I can't figure out how to silence NVDA when the console
> is not the window that has focus.
>
> I mean put JAWS to sleep when the console has focus, then wake up NVDA to
> handle the console and put NVDA to sleep when I'm working in Outlook etc.
>
> I hope this makes sense.
>
>
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